orange999
Joined 2 months ago
Joined 2 months ago
Based on these past losses, it seems highly unlikely that X would win a data scraping lawsuit against nitter, xcancel, or twitterwebviewer.
However, I think that X's real goal is to force the nitters to go through the legal process if they want to stay online. X's hope is that nitter and xcancel and twitterwebviewer will shut down rather than hiring expensive lawyers and going through the exhausting legal process.
https://old.reddit.com/login/?reason=lor2&dest=https%3A%2F%2...
It's not that important of a loss in the grand scheme of things. It's probably less than 1% of the posts that have ever been made on the Reddit website, since Reddit was a pretty small and obscure website until 2011 or 2012.
But it might be the first step toward making all of Reddit only readable with an account.
Before Elon, Twitter would give him some login reminders roughly every 5-10 minutes if you viewed the site while logged out. It was a little annoying, but it wasn't that bad, and you could get rid of the reminder by just clicking the x button.
Now, under Elon, they force you to login to read any replies to posts. Currently, a person's 5 most recent posts can be viewed without an account, but none of the replies can be.
Reddit is now forcing people to login to view old Reddit. IIRC, old Reddit is posts that are from before 2009 or something like that. It's not that important of a loss in the grand scheme of things, but it might be the first step towards making the entire Reddit website login only.
Twitterwebviewer is still up, but I always preferred nitter and xcancel. And I wouldn't be surprised if twitterwebviewer also goes offline in the next day or two.
"For the time being" would have sounded like less bad wording than "for the forseeable future."
This really is an absurd case, but nitter apparently really wants to err on the side of caution until a judge rules in their favor.
In theory I can still read the same things I could read before on xcancel by doing an endless cycle of doing one or two searches, then closing out of my web browser and clearing history, and then going back to xcancel and doing another search or two. But certainly that process is very annoying.
Now, I'm not 100% sure if this is related to Musk's cease and desist letter. I've run into this problem or similar technical problems about twice a month before when using XCancel. Usually the technical problem is resolved within 2 or 3 hours and I can use xcancel normally again. So I guess I'll check back in a few hours and see if I can use xcancel normally again.
Edit: Xcancel is working perfectly if you first go to somebody's X profile, and then you turn the x in the url to xcancel. For example, here is Elon Musk's profile on xcancel, where you can still view Elon's tweets, Elon's replies, and the replies that people have made to Elon's tweets.
https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/with_replies
XCancel still has a problem right now where I can only make a few searches on the xcancel website itself before it tells me I'm rate limited, and I have to sign out of the browser and sign back in before I can make searches on xcancel again.
However, I occasionally have had this problem on xcancel even before today. And I'd assume that this probably isn't related to the cease and desist letter. If this was due to the cease and desist letter, I'd assume that xcancel would be completely down right now rather than having limited functionality.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/musks-x-corp-loses-lawsuit-aga...
But I guess the nitter owner doesn't want to take any chances until he actually gets a court ruling in his favor.
It has some page where it almost goes out of its way to say that it doesn’t bypass security measures like Nitter and XCancel supposedly did. So Elon might not have even a fig leaf of a legal argument to take it down like he did with the other websites.
It’s also possible that Twitterviewer is just flat out disobeying cease and desist letters from Musk, which nitter and xcancel weren’t willing to risk.
In any case, I find it unlikely that Musk hasn’t heard of Twitterviewer.