duckfang

switch the letters of my username.

that's what I think of you.

But that's always been true. And companies are going to do that if they can, regardless if we WfH or WfW. More than a few of us have seen the mass firings, and training some barely-comprehensible foreign workers, whom wreck the place, and then the company calls and begs us to come back.

That's literally the same argument about the "Fight for $15" - the argument is 'yer gonna get automated'. That's going to happen no matter what.

EVERYTHING is political, when involving more than 1 person.

The DMCA is political, and is the basis in which most orgs allow public comment. Copyright is political. Patents are political. Cryptocurrency is explicitly political WRT being against governments. Most startups are political, in the way many break laws that the incumbents have to follow.

The people who "dont want to involve with politics" are primarily the ones whose needs are met, and don't care about others' needs. I would claim it's for selfish reasons.

I've refused going on WebEx calls and claim technical reasons why it doesnt work.

ANYTHING is better than Webex. Even smoke signals over IP is better.

     - Social chatter.

I associate with my friends and a few groups I frequent. I've never felt the compunction to do this at work or with work people for the most part.

     - Making friends with old employees who I didn't know, and connecting with new employees.

Too true; there is this. I've a small handful of people whom I met at work and would call friends. But I usually try to maintain work as work - having friends tied up at a workplace can make for some really bad times when you leave or something happens. I think it's like a work-conditional friend.

     - Work Life separation (balance).

If you can master working on work stuff during the day, once you log out of $workchat and vpn, you're off. Set a schedule when you do everyday and work on being predictable.

     - Sense of belonging.. team outing, weekday after hours beer.

To me, "hanging out with the team" is definitely work. It has to be work-appropriate talk, on and on. That's enforced team-building activities. My sense of belonging is the paycheck I receive. I will seek elsewhere, not tied down by a job, to get a sense of belonging.

     - Intra company sports and games, and then teaming up with office colleagues to play inter company tournaments.

Again, for me, this seems to unhealthily attach a jobs' modus operandi to your own. In reality, unless you're the owner, you are as expendable as any other machine or cog. And I try not to intertwine work relationships with friends. Only rarely do those actually cross.

     - (Not me but others) Meeting potential dates

Yipes.

     - Office facilities for breakfast, lunch. 

My counter is that I have health issues that restrict my diet. At home, I can control exactly what I eat. At work, is what is provided. Its usually good, but sometimes I don't have anything. I would much rather have control of what I eat, by being in my kitchen cooking with my own foodstuffs.

redtube you say? redtube.com is a porn site.

Its a poor product naming with google. I'd imagine that's going to make for some consternation.

Lets remind us our dates.

July 4, 1898, the Newlands Resolution was a joint resolution by the United States Congress to annex the independent Republic of Hawaii. In 1900, Congress occupied the Territory of Hawaii, despite the opposition of most native Hawaiians.

Dec 7, 1941 is when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, Honolulu, Hawai'i, an occupied territory.

August 21, 1959 is when they were forcibly turned into a state, after 60 years of occupation.

Note that Japan did not bomb native settlements and cities where civilians and natives lived - only the occupying force.

Edit: both posts are at -4. And indeed it's sad to see close minded nationalism take and keep hold. The world is bigger than from Hawai'i to Maine, and the USA is often the aggressor. I liken to consider myself a citizen of the earth, and not any one nation.

Same here, with their email AND vpn. Its been flawless so far, tech wise.

But yeah, they really need to control and focus their core message to a tech board. If you whiff that (which they did), there's a good chance in running off your core users. And that is generally considered a bad idea.