aryaneja

Well they definitely commercialised it. Before the Lisa, no one thought consumers would be interested in a GUI computer. Bringing it to market is an important part of disrupting industries.

The iPhone was similar where the tech just existed out there (touch screen smart phones were definitely a thing), but it was Apple’s specific implementation that helped in the disruption. After both the Lisa and the iPhone launched, you can see computers and mobile phones coalescing around Apple’s vision in the long-run.

I am not sure what the answer is here. What you are arguing for will hurt regular users who will lose their digital lives if they lose their passwords.

Signal will be backed-up on iCloud _by default_ and client side will be an issue.

I have addressed your concern in my comment

> They need to offer this as for most users, the risk of losing their whole digital lives because they forgot their passwords outweights E2EE.

There is no clear trade-off that is an option.

Which app would qualify in your case? Signal suffers from the same client-side problem.

You seem to have written a very misleading comment. Apple is offering privacy minded folks two options:

1. Don't turn on iCloud Backups and receive E2EE on your messages 2. Turn on iCloud Backups AND advanced data protection and recieve E2EE on your messages

This is not some kind of nefarious plan on their end. Any user service will have a vulnerability on the user end of back-ups. For instance, Whatsapp backups will also have their keys available to Apple/Google. They need to offer this as for most users, the risk of losing their whole digital lives because they forgot their passwords outweights E2EE. For users who find that important, they have the two options listed above. Sounds like an appropriate trade-off to me.

Might be a dumb question but are you the admin?