zethraeus
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Joined 16 years ago
My first thought was "aww that's sweet" — but it makes me wonder what effects norms dictating the anthropomorphization of machines will have on downstream human interactions.
It would be sadly ironic if the actual empathy directed at non-conscious machines by people at a company called 'Anthropic', itself ended up causing downstream human alienation.
(I'll keep saying 'please' to Claude Code whatever the case.)
I'm sure it's a context thing — but boy is it annoying.
The manifesto is me. The website is not — and I'd like to argue that's very non-ironic!
Here's the making of, linked at the bottom. https://no-ai-coauthors.dev/making-of.html
Here's a link from the bottom of the page. https://no-ai-coauthors.dev/making-of.html
This manifesto website includes a git commit-msg hook for your favorite hook manager, and a GitHub Action for preventing contributions containing them from landing in your project.
If not, it sounds like one core issue is 'adding types to an existing untyped codebase is hard'. This checks out. :)
I understand 'functional' to be used as the direct contrast to 'procedural'! Is that not your understanding?
> So what is the actual innovation? It is more or less directly and visibly expressing the UI in code.
The 'visibly' part here doesn't really actually hold true, does it? Once you've componentized your <swiftui/react/html/[VFL](https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Us...>, it's probably not super visibly understandable.
The best definition i can think of for declarative UI frameworks is probably something closer to 'frameworks that optimize for your ability to make a pure function representing state'.
(After all `[[UIViewController alloc] init]` does indeed purely say 'you have view controller' — that's just not super granular!)
In this light, isn't SwiftUI just a setup more optimized in this direction
rel/to title: yes. (just say scroll position. fine.) But also I think this is pretty well understood! (No?)
- In declarative UI / FRP / whatever, you model your basic UI state through a pure mapping from your business logic 'model'.
- But (as in procedural programming) the UI has its own state — that's not necessarily part of your initial business/domain/model.
If you want to model it, you'll have to understand it, read it, and add it to you model. That can be annoying—especially if the APIs for getting or setting the state are bad.
This doesn't really sound like a fundamental flaw conceptually to me. It's just an API with defaults you don't have to deal with unless you need to.
- don't care what your color is? fine. system default for you.
- don't care what tab a link opens in? fine. user default.
- don't care how scroll position is managed? fine. system default.
- want to handle any of them? cool. you can.
It sounds like progressive disclosure of API complexity to me. Great.
Woah now, that's interesting! In my mind swift has had awesome support for functional programming paradigms since launch. I understand it to be leaning in about as far as it can given that it's built with first class support for Obj-c oriented frameworks.
What makes you feel like it's unapologetically imperative?