therealpygon

Both sides have a point. If I ask you for feedback on the food sample I just gave you, would you automatically assume that I was recording audio and video, will be using your response in training videos, and will be used for AI training? Or might one reasonably assume the “feedback” is what is being given and not a blanket right to anything about them and their answer and using their likeness for training videos because they said “Eh.”

It seems like your counter-point is “they already use everyone’s data, why didn’t you just assume they would”, which is a bit weird from a victim-blaming perspective but valid nonetheless.

I think you mean free, expensive, and slightly even more expensive.

I’d be surprised if an investor lawsuit doesn’t come out of this in order to get depositions from Musk under oath. I would certainly sign on, being an investor in SpaceX whose investment was put at risk by these antics, regardless of who ordered or didn’t. If it was because of government order, I have no problem because the company had no choice, if it is because he decided to invoke his personal views this way, I got a big problem as that puts at risk every lucrative government contract.

Here is an example: my wife purchased a drink product and the product she received tastes strongly of chemicals to her. She has no way to know if that is because the company made a mistake. Do you think it is her responsibility to throw away money when she cannot consume a product that tastes of chemicals? “Too bad you don’t like the taste, you shouldn’t have tried us, pick a different brand next time!” Don’t think I’d be interested in being a customer of a company that agrees with you.

You forgot to include the sales tax and any other vehicle taxes (since you included VAT, it should be a fair comparison that includes tax).

That makes the original statement even less accurate.

“Perfectly safe” eh… freeze distillation doesn’t remove methanol so it is far from perfectly safe, but closer to “probably be fine” than poorly handled alembic would be. I think people should have the right to make their own alcohol if they want, but I’m probably not rushing to drink other people’s distilled trashcan mash.

Don’t worry, someone said they will be Toyota EVs…so the second worst in my experience. Improvement!

I have to agree, but I think some people find the joy in finding their solutions in code rather than from code…meaning that for some it is the puzzle solving that is their interest. That can be rather hard to find an analog for, especially if coding is the skill they are good at.

The lack of AI mental model between conversations or even within the conversation is a definite frustration. “No, I didn’t just decide to entirely change everything I’ve planned based on one ambiguous word…”

Your use of a separate session for q&a is actually something I find interesting in the new Granite Switch architecture’s KV Cache Normalization, where the kv cache is essentially frozen while the model performs certain other tasks in order to prevent the mental ‘conversation’ from getting polluted. However, I’m also assuming what you mean by “helps grounding” is that it helps keep the agent grounded in the context by not introducing a bunch of external information, which is certainly beneficial.

You just search around, or heck, just ask Google for inference providers that are ZDR and whatever else you want. Just make sure to read their terms/privacy and review the security center. You will have to request access if you are wanting to get into the deeper details.

Outside of major players like Amazon/Google which have compatible offerings available, I believe together.ai, fireworks.ai, and deepinfra.com are, as best as I can tell, US-based (if that matters in your situation) SOC2/HIPPA/ZDR. Each of them offer serverless model hosting with caching, which is going to be the cheapest overall. Most of them also offer private AI deployment which is more expensive but your entirely own instance. Some of them more heavily quantize their models (deepinfra) so take that into your workload considerations. I included deepinfra because they tend to have some the new models sooner than others or have models the others don’t (like mimo). IMO, together > fireworks > deepinfra.

However, you’ll have to keep in mind that for true ZDR you give up caching which increases your inference costs, so it depends on how “Zero” you need the zero to be and on what timeframe. If you just don’t want your data being trained on, normal use is fine imo. If you are working on something actually sensitive (like, because of NDA agreements and such), then they might not be the right choice and you may be looking at more expensive offerings or building a machine.

One note: you have to pay attention to the source of the inference. Many (similar to open router) offer models that are pass-throughs to a providers API, but they are pretty clearly marked. Just make sure the model is marked as serverless when evaluating new ones. This is where a proxy comes in handy so you can prevent your LLM from accessing a different models from the specific ones you’ve vetted.

So you are claiming that if someone says “it’s raining” while there is precipitation, and then it stops, they can say it is “no longer raining” but aren’t allowed to believe it was raining before?

Is there a chance any of that is linked to the million scammers that sign up for more and more free accounts, sending spam, getting banned, and then repeating it?

It used to be most of our spam came from Google accounts, and some still does, but now that is far and away outpaced by spam coming from Microsoft who does not take those same steps to deanonymize users. Also, “bot traffic” (AI traffic) is definitely a very real problem sites deal with. Also, you know who else uses Gemini from VPNs?

All the things you complain about seem to have real, direct consequences when not done.

I’m with you, I don’t want to be tracked and don’t want log in to every website. Just saying the reasons are pretty compelling when the reality we live in these days is a connected world with advanced technology where your average teenage could potentially hack a power plant and your average scammer can now use far more advanced AI tools to trick people.

This will only get worse, which is the real reason for the quiet US/EU push to unmask users, require IDs, etc. and not because some kids go online to naughty websites with boobs on them.

You think people are supposed to be forced to accept things they don’t like or are unhappy with as customers? Let me make sure I understand: if you go buy a sandwich, and it tastes so bad you can’t even eat it, your answer is, “aww shucks, they got me again, I should lose money!”

…and are not only “okay” with that, but enjoy it so much as to go online to ridicule others who don’t do the same? Weird.

Well, they do need to try to compete with SubQ’s longer context and image processing that has been coming out ahead in benchmarks, plus the thousand self-hosted options that now exist.

… ”again.”

News outlets always seem to forget “again” in the title.

What a fantastical paradigm you’ve constructed from an otherwise well reasoned set of slides talking about how humans can work with AI to advance the future, yet what you got from it is”frenetic”, “torture”, “scarcity, “toil” and “rationalization “. It seems to speak more to the lens with which you view AI, and others opinions, more than anything the author actually said.