samcday

Take a moment to consider what you seem to be saying here. You’re essentially pondering if it should be okay for a billionaire industrialist to willingly sacrifice the lives of between 1-50 people.

> How low of an IFR would it take before you accepted that exposure?

If we lived in a sane world that valued EVERY individual human life above the self-serving dreams of an egotistical, arrogant sociopath, the answer would be zero.

> Would incidentally exposing them to the common cold be ok?

Such a question screams for a sarcastic answer: in case you haven’t noticed, Covid-19 is not the common cold.

As an Aussie I grew up on a healthy diet of US exceptionalism propaganda. At some point I came to the realization that the US is an empire in decline.

Now, I’m starting to think the US is already a failed state. I’m pretty frightened to be living in this timeline. It’s like the collapse of Rome, but with wifi, vape pens, memes and nuclear arsenals.

Honestly I don’t really understand the end game of disinformation campaigns like this.

It’s one thing to spread propaganda in order to influence elections and get a crooked bureaucrat into power that can enrich some corporate buddies. But it’s another to deceive people about a global health crisis. If you’re successful, people go outside and trigger a second wave of infections - lots of people die and we’re back to square 1. Economy will still be fucked.

What am I missing here?

> and also our feelings about Cloudflare attempting to build support in this manner, especially now, during the Corona Virus situation.

Weird angle. Unless the RPKI standard is somehow actively encouraging people to violate social distancing policies, I don't see any connection with Covid-19..

To me this whole article just reads like a network operator complaining that someone else is trying to hold them accountable.

I can only see it like this.

Amazon share price and business activity is surging as a direct result of Covid-19. They need to hire 100,000+ workers to meet the demand. However, the same thing they are profiting from (Covid-19) should also increase many of their operating expenses. Things like healthcare, paid sick leave adequate for the situation (so at least 4 weeks for proper quarantine), good PPE, in-depth infection combat strategies, and so on.

The problem is those operating expenses are only obvious if you have ethics/morality/whatever that concludes individual human life is more valuable than money. So if you're a big corporation that has been designed to enrich shareholders and the space company fantasies of your ego-maniacal CEO, you fight as hard as possible against taking on those operating expenses.

Aw, shucks. I still haven't gotten around to watching that HBO documentary about Elizabeth Holmes.

At this rate maybe they'll have already produced something about the backstory of Adam Neumann + WeWork (who will at that point probably be in prison?) before I get around to watching the Theranos one.

> So any management position is exploitation? Being the boss of any manufacturing business is exploitation?

In many peoples opinion (including mine), yes. This can all be considered wage slavery.

Of course the magnitude and severity varies. A worker in the Gigafactory (probably) has a higher standard of living than the one in the Foxconn factory, who in turn probably has a better standard of living than the worker in the Nike sweatshop. But it’s all the same thing.

As an Australian pulling my hair out about our domestic policies w.r.t to fossil fuel exports / consumption, let me just say I would take token gestures and virtue signalling over total ignorance, passivity and inaction, any day of the week.

> Can you just shoot these burglars on sight or do they have to be on your private property for that?

No idea about the law, but I would hope you value human life more than a stolen black suitcase.

Fun anecdote. I was living/working in San Francisco a couple of years ago. It was 10am on a work day. I was walking towards my office, along Folsom coming from the 101 towards 8th. Out of nowhere a guy just walks up to one of the cars parked on the street, smashes the rear window, and starts taking whatever was inside. There was several homeless people nearby just casually observing it, along with myself. The perpetrator clearly gave zero fucks and undertook the whole thing as casually as one might stop to tie their shoe on the street. It was a little surreal, and I was already desensitized to the ... interesting characteristics of SoMa streets by that point.