pcfwik
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It's been my understanding that traditionally the ones who care about "motivated explanations" in this sense go for the latter, but if the research community has now decided they care about teaching and understanding, it might "even the playing field" and make the jobs more similar.
If you have some sources to read more about this:
> I get the impression that a lot of more traditional philosophers of logic hated the formal turn.
I would be very interested! (Don't doubt it at all, just sounds like an interesting period I don't know as much about as I'd like.)
However, I would be remiss if I didn't question your historical claim, which seems to me a bit too strong:
> Mathematics predates the idea of formal proof by millenia [...] Formal proof only emerged early in the 20th century [...]
You seem to associate the start of "Mathematics" with Euclid, but (as far as I know) he worked at approximately the same time as Aristotle. Aristotle's syllogisms are perhaps the most famous formal logic system: their correctness relates only to their form, not their content. All deductions of the form "All X are Y, All Z are X, hence All Z are Y" are valid (assuming the premises are), regardless of the meanings of X, Y, and Z. (Outside of Greece, my understanding is that a few hundred years earlier Panini had also developed a system of formal manipulations, but for representing grammars.)
What, to my understanding, "emerged" only the 19th and 20th century was 'merely' a formal logic both expressive and sound enough to properly express modern mathematics (the Beggriffsschrift in the 19th century and FOL+ZFC in the 20th). Between Euclid and the 19th century the development of calculus was probably the biggest advance in mathematics, and my understanding is that Leibniz himself spent significant time working on formal logic.
Perhaps I have the wrong definition in mind of 'formal logic' or 'mathematics,' but I do think the history of formal logic is much more closely tied to the history of mathematics than your post makes it seem on first glance. Though I certainly agree that "mainstream mathematics" has never felt it necessary (or necessarily that useful) to express proofs in a formal logic carefully enough that they could be checked by computers; this was a fringe focus of a minority group of mathematicians and computer scientists that was co-opted as a marketing stunt into 'what mathematics is' for major corporations trying to justify their money burn.
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/privacy-security/ai-secu...
https://hacks.mozilla.org/2026/05/behind-the-scenes-hardenin...
To be honest, I'm not sure how many (if any) of them have actually been exploited, but in any case, it seems like the cost to at least find a vulnerability anymore has really dropped dramatically.
I've found NoScript actually very usable, as long as you allow yourself to be fairly liberal in marking domains "trusted." I only truly routinely visit a core 10-20 domains that require Javascript, and they're from "reputable" organizations (my bank, employer, etc.) so those all get marked "trusted" quickly and I don't worry about them going forward.
In the "long tail" of random things I click on from HN links, seeing a "You need to enable Javascript to view this app" message is actually a fairly good signal that I don't want to view that app (though you might be surprised how many websites are browsable comfortably---or even more comfortably!---without JS enabled).
One thing I wish NoScript supported was the ability to mark a domain as a "trusted page domain" in the sense of: "HTML served from this domain can load scripts from any domain" (rather than trust being assigned to the domain serving the script itself). Perhaps it has this feature and I just haven't found it.
Separately, I know Knuth has recently mentioned drowning under a sea of (presumably LLM-found) bugs in TAOCP, so I suspect it might lead to a slight (if accidental) reprieve :)