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>...what we call web frameworks are transforming from runtime libraries into optimizing compilers.

I took that to mean that the frameworks are doing the optimization. But the article doesn't give examples of the frameworks. The only examples of code transforming optimizations are Uglify and Babel. So I thought maybe these were the things the author has in mind and not actual frameworks. I was genuinely confused and prefaced with the aside about pedantry because questioning these kinds of semantics can come across as pedantic.

The second half of my comment stands regardless.

I think you're missing the point. I don't think that Americans are losing faith in the value of education. Most Americans I know envy the low cost of education in Europe exactly because they would like the same conditions of access. Simply put, we want to go to school. But we don't want to sink ourselves into decades of debt to do so. Would anyone?

Individual known for benevolent acts arrested on charges of other, malevolent acts chills community of benevolent actors?

I definitely appreciated this early warning to get off the ride.

Thanks for the code snippets. That actually helps me to understand quite a bit how Elm's JSON parsing situation can be improved within the FP paradigm.

> So what you're frustrated with is that a group of likeminded individuals celebrates their common point of interest and doesn't make room for you to nay-say them?

I'm not frustrated with responses to criticisms I've made. In fact, I haven't made any criticisms (except of course, the ones in the last comment :P). So I don't have any experience of anyone not making room for me. But I have observed some smart people with well-articulated suggestions get shut down. It's not that their suggestions weren't accepted but it was the way that their ideas were received. I haven't actually seen someone who isn't Evan C. contribute something significant that isn't "doing X like Evan would do it." In the entire world of this language, there seems to be 1 architect and a community of implementers. Now, there's nothing wrong with being an implementer. I am an implementer. But it seems easy to see that cultures are healthier when there are a diversity of ideas.

I think that your characterization of the Elm community as a "group of likeminded individuals celebrat(ing) their common point of interest" is actually close to what I'm talking about. It's great when a programming language community is passionate about the language. If people enjoy using that language, it's certainly a good sign. But I wouldn't trust the judgment of a group of people who can't critique what they love and are unwelcoming to those who do.

The counterpoint here is Dan Abramov and the Redux community. Dan is continually pushing people to understand why they are using Redux and not to see it as a solution for everything. That kind of transparency, and the continual acknowledgement by Redux maintainers that there is more than one good way to do something, is the kind of intellectual honesty that I'm using as a standard in my assessment of Elm.

> How many Python tutorials stop midstride to browbeat you about how great Python's way of doing things is?

I couldn't say and it wouldn't change my opinion of Elm.

Unfortunately, CFS is not the only illness whose existence the medical profession generally refuses to admit. There are a host of other syndromes or symptom constellations that doctors can't find markers of and thus call psychosomatic. Generally, people suffering from these conditions congregate on message boards where they develop a culture and community. Sometimes this is truly productive research sharing and emotional support and sometimes it promotes alternative treatments of dubious efficacy and speculative science based on amateur readings of research. What's really overwhelming is the disconnect between the medical profession and the people they exist to serve. These people need help and yet doctors seem to push them away because doctors are too uncomfortable with a state of not knowing or not understanding.