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Comment · 7 years ago
Preprint here: https://arxiv.org/abs/1910.07425

NB: OP here, but I didn't write this blog or co-author this preprint.

Comment · 7 years ago
>> its capabilities are arguably an improvement over the capabilities of the old monopolies

>I think this is true, but it's a much, much weaker claim than the one you have been making.

I think you need to stop identifying me with the author of the article. My original comment was to make fun of the author for his ludicrous comment about Marxists calling it a day after nationalizing Amazon, which got some Marxists riled up:

>Perhaps we need to break up Amazon because communism? /s

The comment you replied to in starting this conversation spelled out exactly the same argument you made above:

>So a communist economy, in Marx's sense, is also an economy in which there's perfect information. That can't possibly happen in the real world, of course, and Hayek correctly points this out about a centralised bureaucracy.

So the "much, much weaker claim" is the one I have always been making.

>>> Unlike the monopolies of old, which may have 1) to some extent, Amazon also has 2), and is trying to acquire 3) with its Amazon Business offering

>Wrong again. Amazon has none of those three, nor has any other monopolist in history.

It's exhausting to have to always qualify my statements. Of course I did mean "Amazon also has 2) to some extent, and is trying to make inroads into acquiring 3) to some extent".

>> Amazon does collect and process information that a market participant wouldn't normally have: consumer preferences.

>This is wrong. A market participant does normally have information about the preferences of other market participants. That's precisely the information conveyed by market transactions, buying and selling certain quantities of certain goods at certain prices.

No, this is wrong. Amazon collects information about the preferences of market participants through non-market non-priced transactions as well. Here's a non-exhaustive list of such information collection:

- information from consumer responses to recommendations made by the recommender system

- information from consumers immediately after they've clicked on a link supplied by an Amazon associate, which then directs them to a product page.[0] Yes, there is a market transaction between Amazon and its associates, but at the time of the click, the information isn't generated from a market transaction between Amazon and the consumer.

- information supplied by consumers themselves through Amazon Lists, listing explicitly their preferences for goods and services.[1]

- information supplied by consumers themselves about their social network and preferences through Amazon Wish List.[1]

This is evidence for suggesting that "Amazon also has 2) [to some extent]", possibly to a greater extent than any monopolies of the past century has ever had.

[0] https://affiliate-program.amazon.com/

[1] https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/ls

Comment · 7 years ago
>> it's a market-maker that provides a venue for other vendors to sell stuff

>That's not what a market maker is. A market maker is a market participant that guarantees to buy or sell something if no other buyer or seller can be found.

Right, but the similarity between a market maker in finance, and a marketplace maker in ecommerce, is that both of them have a lot more information than an ordinary buyer or seller. It doesn't matter if Amazon doesn't really act as a counterparty: the point is about how much knowledge it has, compared to the average participant.

>Running a marketplace, if it does not mean being a monopolist (which you are insisting it does not), is being a vendor, a vendor of particular services.

I was pointing out that there are two levels we're looking at:

1. Amazon as a provider of a marketplace

2. Amazon as that marketplace and what it entails about how much knowledge it possesses.

Recall that this is in the context of Hayek's arguments in The Use of Knowledge in Society, because the article's author referenced that explicitly.

Now, when I said Amazon isn't a monopolist, this is in terms of 1. Amazon is definitely not the only provider of an ecommerce marketplace with a global reach. In that sense, it's not a monopoly.

But Amazon is a "monopoly" in the sense that Hayek alluded to in his essay, i.e. in terms of 2. Hayek wrote in that essay:

The halfway house between the two, about which many people talk but which few like when they see it, is the delegation of planning to organized industries, or, in other words, monopoly.

Technically, it is still an oligopolist, since it is not the sole provider of ecommerce in America, but "organized industries" sounds like an apt way to describe what Amazon is doing. And it's in this particular sense of Hayek's that I referred to Amazon as a "monopoly".

Comment · 7 years ago
Sorry. Still, it never ceases to amaze me what some people end up doing for work. "You mean they pay people for this?!" is usually my first reaction.
Comment · 7 years ago
>The Melbourne Gold rush was in the 1850s-1860s so the "new" part has become inaccurate.

It also happened just a few years (very much less than a decade) after the California Gold Rush, and there were other gold rushes after that, so I'm not sure why it's "new" either.

Comment · 7 years ago
>This came before the usage of 皇 to broadly mean emperor (i.e. during the Spring and Autumn period before the Qin dynasty), although it is used to describe the three mythical emperors. Here it's a clan name (氏), the common clan name of the kingdom of Song.

Good to know.

>When recording names in historical records usually the given name as well as honorary name are given as well (honorary names of these figures are all recorded alongside these given names and are far more ordinary).

I think the unusual names you've come across are those that've slipped through the cracks. In any case, Chinese men back then would have been given a few names before they reached adulthood: usually, a "milk name" from their parents and another (usually more dignified) name when they attend school. The honorary name comes much later. The unusual names may have been "milk names" that survived the cull because the bearers might not have attended school, for example.

Of course, the practice hasn't survived into the modern age, but you still see this practice in the Arabic world, where people can have multiple aliases. So what you labelled as the "given name" need not be the "given name" we understand today, but just the name that's survived to adulthood that's not the honorary name, which comes later.

Comment · 7 years ago
>Something I'm surprised hasn't come up yet is the ability to flex... "something" in your brain and turn hallucinations on and off.

>I grew up in a Buddhist family and was meditating since an early age. I'm not sure if this was related at all but since I was young I could look at things when I was bored and do something in my brain that would cause the patterns to move. If I then needed to concentrate I could focus and it would go away.

There has been some "intriguing evidence of overlap between the phenomenology and neurophysiology of meditation practice and psychedelic states."[0]

I came across this while researching meditation practices, and stumbled upon Andrew Newberg's work[1] on the neuroscience of religion.[2][3] He's spoken about an experiment where the neural correlates of nuns experienced in the "centering prayer" exhibited similarities to people who'd taken psilocybin mushrooms.[4]

I find this absolutely fascinating, yet completely expected, because the ancient literature on meditation do mention drugs in relation to meditation. For example, Patanjali's Yoga Sutras mention that "siddhis are born of practices performed in previous births, or by herbs, mantra repetition, asceticism, or by samadhi."[5]

In light of this, I've also thought about why, for example, there are the Five Precepts in Buddhism,[6] which are considered to be fundamental in the path towards attaining enlightenment. We've often understood it as a code of ethics for Buddhists, but what if it arose as a way to protect meditators from harming themselves and others in case of adverse episodes during meditation practice?

[0] https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.0147...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_B._Newberg

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_religion

[3] https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/06/what-happ...

[4] https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/28/psychedelic-drug-b...

[5] https://realitysandwich.com/11276/psychedelics_light_yoga_su...

[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_precepts

Comment · 7 years ago
>She should use 鹄(swan) instead of 鹅(goose). Yes people don't usually use this character for swan

I've never heard of or seen this character until today.

>most people know of it as it's part of the idiom: 燕雀安知鸿鹄之志.

"Most people" usually mean "people around me", so it's not indicative.

There are plenty of ethnic Chinese people not living in China who might not have heard of this idiom -- in part because their knowledge of Chinese may not be as deep as people who've gone through the Chinese education system -- and one of them had probably advised Swanson on her name choice.

Comment · 7 years ago
>>it is a marketplace-as-a-service

>To the extent this makes a difference

It does, because you're arguing as if Amazon sells stuff. It doesn't (just) do that: it's a market-maker that provides a venue for other vendors to sell stuff.

So it's already an error to talk about Amazon as a monopolist, when Amazon isn't the only marketplace out there with a global reach. But you're also making a category error, because you wrote:

>A perfect monopolist, by setting monopoly prices, decreases the value of the price information it gets through transactions, because there are no other competitors offering the same goods at different prices to compare to, so the prices of the monopolist's transactions convey less information about the preferences of other market participants.

Amazon doesn't set prices per se, at least not for vendors in its marketplace that are not itself. So it doesn't do whatever you think it's doing when you were writing that paragraph. Certainly there are "other competitors offering the same goods at different prices to compare" with, because Amazon's marketplace include other vendors. But Amazon is running a marketplace, not (just) being a vendor. There's a difference in category there.

Comment · 7 years ago
>Hayek was perfectly well aware that such market participants existed (after all, such participants existed in his day--for example, Standard Oil).

And Hayek did mention monopolies or "coordinated industries" as a "halfway house" between centrally planned economies and free markets. Sure.

>But Amazon's information is still limited to information that a market participant can have: namely, as I said, the prices at which the various goods it sells are sold. It does not have any more information than that.

Actually, Amazon does collect and process information that a market participant wouldn't normally have: consumer preferences.

Hayek argued that a central planner wouldn't be able to suck up the decentralised information embodied in every market participant. However, what Amazon is doing is mining the data it has about a consumer's purchase history, as well as the responses the consumer gave to recommendations made by its recommender engine. That is a lot more information than what most market participants would normally have access to.

Now, Hayek has outlined what he thinks is needed to construct a "rational economic order" in the beginning of "The Use of Knowledge in Society":

1) "If we possess all the relevant information",

2) "if we can start out from a given system of preferences",

3) "if we command complete knowledge of available means".

Unlike the monopolies of old, which may have 1) to some extent, Amazon also has 2), and is trying to acquire 3) with its Amazon Business offering. So its capabilities are arguably an improvement over the capabilities of the old monopolies.

Comment · 7 years ago
>I would feel weird about giving myself a rare and ultra-high-prestige name.

Er... 司馬 isn't that rare, and people would rather advise you to select a rare but prestigious family name, rather than a rare and unknown one.

It's like given names in English: if you pick a rare and unknown name (or even a common one with an unusual spelling), people are just going to go "huh?"

Comment · 7 years ago
Comment · 7 years ago
>please take this article with a grain of salt as it reeks of whitesplaining.

Agreed. Also, most Chinese names are "invented" anyway, so why is that in the headline?

Comment · 7 years ago

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