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Yeah, I mentioned them in my comment. They're my favorite lab/vendor. Everything is open and reproducible.

It's just that their models were never frontier-level. By major, I meant frontier or popular.

Not really. That definition also requires the training code and training data composition to be open-sourced.

No major Chinese or Western labs satisfy these requirements. The only vendors I can think of that do are Nvidia and Allen AI.

I believe Meta's models were never truly frontier in the way Qwen, Kimi, etc., compare to Claude or ChatGPT.

Correct me if I am wrong.

We are now at the mercy of labs to provide frontier models as open-weight. Now that even some Chinese labs are releasing their models as weight-available, what stops them from prohibiting certain internal uses of new models? What about public chatbots?

Open models we have now will become obsolete within a few years. Imagine a world where our last open models were from the GPT-2 era.

I believe we need truly sovereign models, not in the Western sense, but from a community perspective. We need a model line that stays open-source across generations.

Calling this open weight is misleading. That's why we had huge backlash when Redis, Elasticsearch, and Terraform went source-available, right?

Weight-available is a better adjective for this kind of licensing. Same for Qwen, GLM, Kimi, MiniMax, etc. If they really want to be open source, they should pick an OSI-approved license.

Are you sure you were running the model on your own machine? OpenRouter sometimes route requests of a model to its original developer.

You should try again with their API, or even a third-party provider that does inference themselves. This response is likely just occurring in their web version.

I think we need a different default format than Markdown. Markdown has never had a single standard. Tables were invented by GitHub and were never included in the CommonMark standard. Line breaks are weird for non-Latin languages like Chinese, and for historical reasons, you need two asterisks (**) to bold a word. It is also troublesome to parse.

We need a better markup language.

Maybe not now, but in a few years, we might not need frontier models anymore. Open-weight models are only half a year behind the frontier, and both categories are advancing really fast.

Gemini 2.0 Flash, released just 1.5 years ago, could not even repeat a few paragraphs unchanged. Now, we have Mistral, DeepSeek, and MiMo.