maltalex
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"if they stop training" is exactly the point I'm making. They can't stop training if the competition is still training.
However, we know that users frequently switch models/providers, and that models stay relevant for (increasingly) short periods release. I don't know what the training costs are, but I bet they're very substantial.
They're all burning billions to incrementally one-up each other with no hope of these investments ever paying off since models are interchangeable and have no moat. They're trying to get regulators to step in and force a pause.
Unfortunately, none of this is explained in the announcement, but the documentation [0] is pretty good.
[0]: https://docs.typesafe.ai/concepts/how-to-build-with-system-o...
The same model hosted by other providers is much more expensive [0]. So either DeepSeek can host it much cheaper than anyone else, or their business model is different. I suspect the latter, especially since their privacy policy [1] says personal data, including “User Input,” can be used "To improve and develop the Services and to train and improve our technology".
[0]: https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-pro/providers
[1]: https://cdn.deepseek.com/policies/en-US/deepseek-privacy-pol...
I suggest taking a look at what providers like Sendgrid, Mailchimp, etc are doing to prevent abuse.
For most software companies, operating expenses are mostly wages. So, cutting costs means reducing headcount, which is likely especially true in lower-wage regions. If an engineer costs $4K/month, adding $1K/month in token costs increases employment cost by 25%. If an engineer costs $2K/month, the same $1K raises costs by only 5%.
So, I'd argue that everyone should be worried at least to some degree until the industry finds a new equilibrium.
How, at scale?
The attacker can impersonate the victim, get a valid x509 certificate issued to it, and create a perfect replica of their website/api/whatever.
The attacker can perform a man-in-the-middle attack on the victim - record traffic, inject traffic, manipulate traffic, etc.
The attacker can just deny access to the victim - just drop packets meant for the victim.
RPKI only secures the ownership information of a given prefix, not the path to that prefix. Under RPKI, an attacker can still claim to be on the path to a victim AS, and get the victim's traffic sent to it.
The solution to this was supposed to be BGPSec, but it's widely seen as un-deployable.