lillian-lemmer

> On a side note I find it ironic that people who had to hide who they are for most of history and maybe for most of their lives want to force the same thing on other people just because of their personal beliefs.

I love how you're comparing the choice of being a person who dehumanizes and threatens vulnerable people as like... a demographic to compare to being a woman, or being trans, etc.

My impression of you: Being dehumanized, threatened with death, rape, is a totally subjective experience and vaguely defined, so we shouldn't stop those things. I offered my conditional support to you people, but now I'm revoking it because I want people to be able to dehumanize and threaten you and ultimately do not care what happens to anyone else. BTW, being picked on and trolling cis men poses the exact scenario as threatening women, minorities, with death, rape, etc.

FreeBSD is, frankly, better off making these people feel threatened and dehumanized.

Sorry, but if you took any minority or underpriv'd person (trans, female, black, etc.), and "made" them a CIS white male, their life would be easier and they'd face less problems.

Also privilege isn't about who's life is harder, it's about the abilities afforded/predisposed to you by society because of how you're labeled.

Also nobody doubts that poverty is a huge issue. Imagine being a poor man. Now imagine being a poor trans woman. Do you have any idea?

This may be unpopular opinion, but the fact is that there is just a perspective that you cannot understand through anecdotes or research.

The experience of being trans, queer, female, etc., today is not summed up by text. It is the adrenaline and vomit from death threats, it's falling behind at work because of harassment, I could go on and on.

Safe places are a way to ensure that everyone at least can truly empathize with each others' experiences, and as such, a place where they don't have to worry about that.

It's a counter, a reaction to all spaces practically being for (white) men. Who's voices are heard? Who's narratives are enforced? Safe places are the only places we have.

I could go on, but...

Please trust me when I say safe spaces are crucial, especially to trans survival.

I wish you knew how... devastatingly lonely it can be as an outcast in society. How everyone treats you. Solidarity is really important.

Can you also imagine who you are constantly being criticized? Your problems constantly being made out to be false? That you have the burden of proof with everyone because nobody knows your struggle?

I feel like the most important takehome is that we need recourse for ensuring the safety of the less represented of people, e.g., trans.

Yeah, it's just that it is sad that it is practically required to be spelled out. But even bigger yet, is that we have to find ways to enforce it and its purpose.

Every time you step out the door do you wonder if you'll be killed for who you are? Do you worry that you can't go to the police for who you are? Do you ever worry about fighting an entire legal and medical system to be who you are?

Etc.

So your answer is not to have enforceable routes for women to be safe and respected because nobody can write specifically enough?

I run an organization (hypatia.software [Hypatia Software Organization]) where the Code of Conduct is enforced and it is effective.

I love FreeBSD! I have a GitHub record to show that! :3 It's my sweet little darling angel. But it's sick. :<

We need routes to ensure safety and respect for everyone. If someone makes others feel endangered, it is not unreasonable for there to be immediate recourse and resolution. That's what a Code of Conduct is all about.