kimlelly

> Rather, we should be discussing realistic solutions.

Everything has already been discussed. Multiple times over. And when you repeat yourself, you get downvoted.

I'll say it again, because I was immediately downvoted into invisibility:

You CAN NOT continue to use products and services by NSA companies like Microsoft - Yahoo - Google - Facebook - PalTalk - AOL - Skype - YouTube - or Apple and THEN turn around and BITCH AND CRY ABOUT LOSING YOUR RIGHTS AND PRIVACY.

This is completely INSANE, you NEED TO WAKE UP!

EDIT: Yeah, let the censuring begin again. You know what? When I look at the people here on HackerNews, I'm beginning to see a SOCIETY THAT ACTUALLY WANTS TO BE FUCKED - DEEPLY EVEN.

Good, continue to support the surveillance state with

- either your data

- and/or your money.

Sincerely, your NSA

> I would like someone from Google, Facebook, et al to testify under oath that there is no direct access.

Do you really have that much faith in those companies? Seems like some kind of super-power to me.

Anyone still using - Microsoft - Yahoo - Google - Facebook - PalTalk - AOL - Skype - YouTube - or Apple?

Yeah, I thought so.

EDIT: Seriously, downvoters: you NEED TO WAKE THE FUCK UP !

In that case, only severe pain can help us.

The thing is, it will be way more difficult to correct the problems, once we really feel the pain.

Also keep in mind, that it's not just traffic routed via the US that is being intercepted.

It's public knowledge that the NSA is building multi-billion surveillance/interception centers in (at least...) Germany.

Interesting twist.