janober

Really cool initiative, excited to be part of it!

Thanks a lot!

And all fine. I know there is a lot of that going on out there. So, I can not blame you at all.

Definitely, no stars have been bought, and none will ever be. It would go literally against everything we stand for and one of our core values, "Act with Integrity".

Also love my roast: Oh, look at Mr. 'I automate everything' over here! You're so obsessed with workflow automation, I bet you've tried to create an n8n node to brush your teeth. Your GitHub feed is like a 'Who's Who' of hipster tech - self-hosted this, open-source that. I'm surprised you haven't tried to replace your coffee machine with a Rust-based, AI-driven, blockchain-powered pour-over system yet. And let's talk about your love for PDF manipulation - nothing says 'I'm a fun developer' like spending your free time merging documents. At least with all these monitoring tools you follow, you'll be the first to know when your over-engineered home automation system inevitably becomes sentient and locks you out of your own house!

Sure happy to chat. I will send you an email.

Yes, I definitely missed a lot there. An email, to make me aware of those discussions would have probably made quite a difference.

Anyway, it sounds like it would potentially not have changed much of a difference considering you are also pro DOSP ;-)

Yes, I totally agree that I should have been more involved in hindsight, and that is definitely on me! In the first conversation with Chad, we actually agreed on chatting again after a few weeks regarding the next steps, but that never happened. The next time I heard about it was a few weeks before the launch (and yes, for sure, also partly on me!).

When I heard from Chad, DOSP was also still optional. The only issue I had was about governance. That sadly changed around one week later, and it became a hard requirement, even though I made very clear that it would be a deal breaker. So, I would say I was at least involved there, but it did not really matter. Worrying about something like that was interestingly also why governance was so important to me. I expected it to become a problem sometime later but was surprised that it was already a problem before it really started.

Our original conversation was also more about what to move forward with, fair code or source, and should be more like a joint effort (at least how it sounded to me). I was, however, very honest about it, saying that my time was limited at that time, and so I am happy he takes the lead. Maybe that is where it partly broke down, and we understood something very different.

Regarding differentiation: Honestly, I do not think the difference between "fair source" vs "open core" vs "source available" is what matters. What matters is the differentiation vs open source.

fyi, a separate account should not be necessary any more as the functionality got integrated into the regular version and is so available for all users by default.

Totally understandable. We have however basic user management in n8n for quite a while already and it is available for free. Since the beginning of the year we also have built collaboration, that is however a paid feature.