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> A youtube copyright notice / copyright strike is not the same as a DMCA takedown.

Yes it is. YouTube doesn’t magically get to ignore the DMCA, so their process is built around that (along with layering Content ID on top to allow for a middle ground where videos can stay up but redirect some or all monetization to the copyright holder).

If you click through the link I posted above, you’ll get to this page which shows the complete process, including the counter-notification step: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/13823830 Do you have reason to believe 3blue1brown can’t file a counter-notification in this case?

YouTube’s “three strikes” policy is their implementation of the DMCA’s “repeat infringers” requirement:

> has adopted and reasonably implemented, and informs subscribers and account holders of the service provider's system or network of, a policy that provides for the *termination* in appropriate circumstances of subscribers and account holders of the service provider's system or network who are *repeat infringers*

https://www.aclu.org/documents/text-digital-millennium-copyr...

You’re conflating the two systems. YouTube does have the Content ID system, which does automatic detection and is mostly used to monetize (not take down) copyrighted content. But this case is a copyright strike, which means there was a DMCA takedown filed.

The differences between these two systems are explained here: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7002106

Sounds like he got a copyright strike, which means a DMCA takedown, not a Content ID claim.

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7002106

> hold onto the revenue until the dispute is resolved

They do that: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7000961?hl=en

There's a different option for if the video is public domain or otherwise not copyrightable to handle this case. I assume that that "lawyerly language" is to dissuade users from abusing the process and choosing an option when it's not really true.

Looking at copyright claims I have on my channel (these are valid music claims, for what it's worth), I see a dispute option labeled "The video is my original content and I own all of the rights to it", which I think covers the case you're describing.

Yes, sorry, you're right -- they do it to keep the safe harbor protection (which is the only sane option when running a video sharing website).

But YouTube does accept DMCA claims, of course, as it's required by law. Their Content ID system provides an automated way to detect potential infringement by large copyright holders and redirect ad revenue to them, but if uploaders dispute the claim and appeal decision to uphold the claim, then the copyright holder is required to send a full DMCA claim to take down the video, and the uploader can respond with a counter notice to put the video back up. Of course, the copyright holder can choose to jump ahead to filing a DMCA notice at any point, bypassing some or all of the Content ID process. I'm guessing that most wouldn't do that, though, because the DMCA process is not automated, has strict timelines built in, and only allows for takedown (whereas Content ID allows for videos to stay up but make ad revenue for them). Without Content ID system, I'm guessing we'd be back in the days where the big copyright holders would just spam DMCA notices and end up with a lot more videos taken down.

(Disclaimer: I used to work in the media business so I'm familiar with the process).

YouTube has an equivalent of that too: https://support.google.com/youtubegaming/answer/6304294?hl=e...

I agree that their monetization policy is pretty vague; I wish it was clearer but they probably have to cover their bases.

As for "people that abuse moderation tools for hateful or trolling purposes": these people won't be given access to the tools. According to the site [0], you only get points and level up for actually flagging things correctly, and you get kicked out if you're abusing it. And the improved flagging tools are only available once you reach a higher level. So it would be pretty hard to abuse (especially since even after all that, there's oversight).

[0]: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7159025

There's a lot of misinformation going on in the Reddit thread. These "Heroes" get better tools for flagging videos faster (among other things), but it's still just flagging. Every flag still gets reviewed by a human at YouTube, according to their documentation:

> YouTube staff review flagged videos 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and videos that violate our Community Guidelines are removed from YouTube. Videos that may not be appropriate for all younger audiences are age-restricted.

> Flagged videos are not automatically taken down by the flagging system. If a video doesn't violate our guidelines, no amount of flagging will change that, and the video will stay on the site. [0]

And that documentation is still true for the Hero program:

> As always, the policy team at YouTube makes the final determination of whether content should be removed. [1]

[0]: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2802027

[1]: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2803402

I found an option to turn off notifications for those messages. If you open the notification settings for a channel that you're subscribed to, you can uncheck "Include community post notifications" and then stay subscribed to just get the video notifications.

> Censorship and demonetisation on YouTube seems to be happening to people fairly regularly, and without appeal, via poorly calibrated algorithms

Demonetization happens when a video doesn't meet their "advertiser-friendly" policy, but there is an appeal process where you can have a human look at it to determine if the original assessment was wrong [0]. Do you have data to support your claim that their algorithms are "poorly calibrated"?

Can you provide some examples of "censorship"? They do have policies that things like graphic content or spam is not permitted and will be removed from the site, but I think that's reasonable.

> It seems even the stars of the platform who often share managers and production companies with other stars have difficulty getting in touch with YouTube to resolve issues.

YouTube provides email support with a 1-business day response time to all creators [1], and the bigger channels get their own Partner Managers [2].

[0]: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7083671

[1]: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/3545535?hl=en

[2]: https://www.youtube.com/yt/creators/benefit-levels.html?noap...