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Comment · 8 years ago
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Comment · 8 years ago
Dragnets is a huge problem for analysts. Traditional analysis is based on a certain amount of "degrees", 1. degree would persons/network directly associated with a target, then usually would never exceed 2. or 3. degree.

Now that everything is collected it causes problems with the amount of data which causes quality data to drown in the amount. You basically don't get to pick up anything of worth before it's too late.

This again (the perceived lack of finding "terrorists") is used to argue for more budgets and "tools". Some say this is on purpose and I wouldn't disagree.

My 2 cents.

Comment · 8 years ago
> security services engaged in illegal surveillance mostly of the Norwegian left wing.

IMO how you put it is perhaps a bit misleading -

You should probably point out that it was the left wing surveilling each other. More specifically it was the Socialist Labour party (AP) which conducted surveillance of the communist AKP-ML (and NKP) for the reason of being in control of the left-wing agenda in Norway.

Considering that AKP-ML was part of the stay-behind groups, known as "Gladio" (something that ironically (?) sprung out of NATO [0]), armed and trained PLO and marxist revolutionaries in Israel, and had networking with other similar ideological extreme radical left groups such as Red Army Fraction (Germany, Japan, Italy), Black Panthers and Weather Underground in the US, as well as IRA in Ireland and close ties with Pol Pot[1] and other groups in Asia. And they were actually planning armed revolution in Norway - the surveillance was called for (ref. Willoch). However, the labour party's close ties with the IC and media in Norway was peculiar (at the time there were only a single national government owned TV/radio broadcaster, NRK, rooted in the labour party) and these three "fractions" held meetings frequently.

> No secret prisons

Partly correct - in Norway some people were thrown into mental hospitals instead. A famous case would the Kaare Torvholm [2] case which got arrested, together with the sheriff and a deputy (the equivalent of) and sent to mental institution which lead a local newspaper to raise the question if a "schizophrenic epidemic" had reached the shores (later picked up by VG, a national newspaper). This for reporting discrepancies with money (pension funds and more) in the fishing industry which was used as part of intelligence networks (at the time).

As the original thread topic:

Norwegian military has been conducting surveillance for a long time, illegally and including Norwegian citizens. The process right now is to push through laws which allows for this sort of surveillance (and let them keep the data they have, which is already shared with US and UK). These laws will just "harmonize" the Norwegian laws to those of the UK and partly US. These operations centers are located several places, not just in this region, but from the west of Norway (Haakonsvern) to Troms in the north (Setermoen) and involves what is called "svarte operasjoner" ("black ops" in English). One of these operations got public attention some years ago when it was revealed that they were spying on the King's email traffic [3].

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

[1]: https://cambodiatokampuchea.wordpress.com/2015/08/30/norwegi...

[2]: https://www.fiskersiden.no/forum/index.php?/topic/22444-fisk...

[2]: http://detsomstatennorgeskjuler.origo.no/-/bulletin/show/548...

[3]: https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/forsvaret/forsvaret-bekl...

Comment · 9 years ago
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Comment · 9 years ago
A) Digest of Education Statistics, https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d08/tables_3.asp#Ch3aSub... (although, the specific table has since been removed, reason unknown).

B) I just like to point out the hypocrisy (ref. OISM where 32,000 scientists where considering a "not a very compelling figure, but a tiny minority" (https://www.skepticalscience.com/OISM-Petition-Project.htm, together will all the left-leaning media's "breakdown" of this petition).

UN representative Christina Figueres has already stated in Brussel a couple of years ago that "global warming" has nothing to do with climate, but economy (i.e. "anti-capitalism"): https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change...

And as a reminder: consensus !== science.

Comment · 9 years ago
So, a mere 0.14% (!) of the approximate 11 million scientists has signed. Lets be honest here: not a whole lot really...

(ps: down-voting this post doesn't change this fact...)

Comment · 9 years ago
Comment · 9 years ago
Do anyone have NoScript working in 57r? The latest dev version from noscript.net doesn't want to install.

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