fredsters_s

> You could easily spin up a forum where power users help each other

tell me you've never run anything without telling me you've never run anything...

it is very funny that most of the (presumably germans) in the comments are saying "it's not that bad and it's fine because you chose a complicated LLC structure"

you might enjoy cities: skylines

Super awesome, love the vision, exciting to try something in this space, and agreed with your core observations and conclusions. My only criticism is that the interior / package needs to look way cooler to tempt people across. Working with a decent industrial design firm and making some sexy renders would go a long way!

the twitter convo is pretty good, but AMA here if you're interested!

moving from offense to defense... tends to be a bad sign

been using the beta - really love it

yes :)

Oh good catch Todd, sorry about that - updated.

And totally agreed, both products take a slightly different approach and have different strengths and weaknesses, try them both and see which is a better fit!

it kinda is :) - 10 years in, we're just getting started!

the other major difference is the design principles: our core belief is that everyone owns quality, and so we build for the 'no code' user as well. It's a really hard bar to hit, but I think we've done a good job so far - to use reflect you need to be far more technical. 1/3 of our daily users are PMs.

Nowhere do we say that the entire product organization - devs, designers, PMs - should not care about quality. It's a question of ownership and focus.

First off, we totally agree on this: "true product Quality is dependent upon an endemic cultural philosophy of an organization."

What we're asking you to consider is how much of that is because the tooling is shutting out the roles who are naturally incentivized to care about product quality?

I think your broader thesis, while amusing, is ignoring some of the biggest and most valuable brands ever created... Apple, Rolex, Mercedes...