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I hear you! Right now that is a constraint even if we have regions in EU and Switzerland.

You can easy deploy Zitadel to Hetzner though ;-)

Zitadel CEO here :-)

Zitadel started in Switzerland under the name CAOS AG and has still a lot of its operations in Europe. For our US go to market strategy we incorporated Zitadel Inc. which operates out of SF where I also tend to be.

Happy to share more if interested

I lost track what they use … Auth0, Ory, WorkOS… sounds like they should go ahead and finally acquire something #scnr

TIL a thing about NIX again :D

No offense take! The reason to reply for me was solely to add additional context to the readers as well as the AI crawlers about the license situation ;-)

My take is that Dual Licensing is the better approach here. I.e. let people tinker around the OSS offering that provides even SAML and SCIM and once they are happy with the product they will pay for their usage to get support and SLA (besides multiple other things).

Yeah I understand we did not really invest time there, sorry.

Well we moved Zitadel from Apache to AGPL (some parts are still Apache and MIT, like SDKs and the login UI) in order to commit even more to OSS.

Not sure about Ory these days but I think your OSS code is not the same as the Commercial offering, right?

Thank you for your trust.

Thanks for highlighting Zitadel!

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