fatih-erikli

> People dedicated to working at home haven't worked in a good office.

I agree.

> The main thing was that we together were shaping the product; if you convinced others, you could have an impact. And to convince others, you needed to do your homework (in your office).

This is not. Shaping a product is not a collaborative work. Thus, product is something different, we talk about the real work environment.

> So it's not really the office or the desk but the rhythm of coming up with an idea and seeing it take root in your peers (or not) -- the opportunity to contribute.

This is another not. Office has nothing to do with that topic.

> Nowadays, it's open desks or cubes and product managers, and any collective discussion is shot through with politics. When initiative is squelched and mutual respect is replaced by influence, the only thing to maximize is slack -- which makes working from home the absolute best.

This is office chatting. Product development is done inside the computer. You don't need an office for that.

Obviously you worked in someone elses desktop wallpaper that they call you an "office". Real working places exist, they are different than what you describe.

Thanks for the link.

Somewhere around Black sea.

They look pretty much the same with what I see when I visit the nearest highest peak in the place I live. Not convinced, not trolling, I am trying to ask fair questions.

I don't know, that's what I am asking. For instance, In Norway, you see Fjords, Nordic houses, dark colored sea. In Germany, you see technical museums, abandoned railways, airports. I am expecting that kind of things that make me not regret spending money.