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Comment · 4 years ago
This is quite worrying. Again its not clear who is behind this disinformation campaign and who stands to benefit from it.

I don't want to say it's Ukranian intelligence because it seems illogical to me but would confirm my suspicion that it is sabotaging its own: that they could use disinformation to shore up international support at the risk of inevitably being debunked and losing credibility.

Again, cui bono, who benefits here from this disinformation? It is still not clear because why would you raise the morale of your enemies troops on purpose in the opening hours of the war?

This is an endless hall of mirrors, whatever it is they are doing, its working, its raising the cost of discovering truths while lowering social cost of emotional outbursts (seen that already here from someone accusing me of being a Russian bot) to further distort reality.

Everybody needs to remain calm, and question what they are seeing is real or fake, before choosing to disseminate it.

Comment · 4 years ago
On the topic of video game footages being used seemingly by unknown actors with various intent, if a gamer like me can be tricked, how gullible is the average user?

I LEGIT thought the whole Ghost of Kiev video was REAL the first time I watched it. It was only when the whole scene did not make sense——why would the Russian jet slow down and slowly ascent with a pursuing Ukranian jet and why would it use AA missile instead of opting for guns at such close range moving slowly?

It was only after this exercise in logic did I take a second look at the video and saw the person holding the camera was moving way too stable without the artifacts you normally get from software stabilization.

Many, many people saw that video and retweeted it thinking it was legitimate. I almost did too until I saw it a second time and realized Twitter's compression algorithms degraded the quality in an authentic manner that hides anti-aliasing and uncanny valley.

Games are increasing becoming photorealistic where I can't tell from preview thumbs (ex. Ride 4) and we are probably witnessing the cusp of a new type of war. Our morales can be influenced by the hour now thanks to social media and advancements in light ray tracing.

Like in 2011 I was certain that photorealism was far off because of the computation difficulties with real-time ray tracing, I had not anticipated the leaps in GPU, AI, Deepfake technologies as well as software advancements like Nanite and Lumen in UE5

Comment · 4 years ago
Ukrainian, Russian and Belarusian use the Cyrillic alphabet and I don't trust a random burner twitter account making that claim.

Rob Lee, who has been independently reporting about Ukraine since 2014, is fairly credible and does not appear to stand to gain anything from accusations that he is pro-Russian

Comment · 4 years ago
How do we know these aren't Ukranian intelligence playing Russian? How can you be so certain of anything?
Comment · 4 years ago
The crux of your argument appears to be that Gabe is lying and not to be trusted :D
Comment · 4 years ago
Few theories:

1. Ukraine is behind disinformation campaign to temporarily boost morale.

2. Russia is behind disinformation campaign to mount an element of surprise (an all out offensive was suddenly ordered this morning).

3. Social media is facilitating disinformation with variety of incentives for its participants ranging from merchandising (as was for Ghost of Kiev) and internet points (DCS World footages)

Comment · 4 years ago
Twitter does a great job of elevating expertise signaling individuals, especially with long threads where mentions of "past experiences" and other name dropping dramatically boosts one's exposure.
Comment · 4 years ago
it's incredible just from this thread alone the confusion and inability to tell what is going on.

In 2003, we just saw whatever CNN was feeding us but now anybody can become a CNN and you don't even need to be at the place of war.

Can I just point out how freaky this all is? We have never been more connected and have low barriers to access unlimited information, yet despite this, we have no bearing.

Comment · 4 years ago
The Russians have deployed SAMs in Belarus and has an operating radius that covers almost the entire theater.

According to Rob Lee's twitter it appears Grand Parent's deduction is correct because previously a Ukranian Su-27 that blew up in Kiev was being falsely reported as Russian jet.

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497083662814244864

I have to note how difficult it is right now. "Ukranian side" (it is not clear who the original disseminator network is) appear to be using footages of ARMA 3 and DCS: World overlayed with voice and artifacts from Twitter's compression algorithms really can fool many to believe Ukraine is putting up fierce resistance.

The latest disinformation seems to be a seemingly staged conversation between a Ukranian driver and a Russian APC squad. I don't know who stands to benefit from these disinformation campaign but :

1) Ukranian side can raise morale by selling perception that Russia is poorly equipped and suffering from poor morale.

2) Russian side would purposefully allow such disinformation to spread for an element of surprise, might even be the one manufacturing it.

It is probably a combination of the two but from today's executive order from Putin to launch an all out offensive from all direction will be telling.

Send in the poorly equipped, inexperienced troops in first to feign false sense of security and send in your regular well equipped army.

White noise on all sides and I am noting too, just how difficult it is to get the real story but it seems Twitter makes this extra difficult and its not clear who is leaking these fake disinformation stories and to whom it is aimed to ultimately benefit.

We simply do not know what is happening but I am leaning towards #2, today's encirclement and seige of Mariupol, which was long touted as putting up effective resistance by pro-Ukraine twitter accounts, seems to have collapsed in a matter of hours, sort of like the "Ghost of Kiev" myth

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