dannywarner

A conversational interface does not have room for a page of ads. Google results are an entire page of ads for most keywords with commercial intent now. In a chat interface on mobile there is nowhere for them to go.

My opinion that conversational interfaces like ChatGPT will replace a list of links is speculative but not particularly controversial at this point.

Something not mentioned here is advertising and ad tech. With traditional search advertising going away, psyads - psychologically manipulative advertising that changes answers and text generations to convince people to buy and do things - will become the new nightmare.

In the same way language models can mimic any character ("write a poem in the style of Jar Jar Binks") they can also mimic voice and tone in a way designed to appeal - and sell to - an individual based on their personal data and history.

ChatGPT and its clones require login and often credit card and phone number, they collect your data, and they feed everything you do back to language models for training. I'm only aware of one that has a privacy policy that would prevent this.

Caveat Scrutator

This from a competing search engine summarizer for that link.

```ChatGPT can be a useful tool for helping students to develop their writing skills and think more critically, but it should be used to complement and enhance traditional methods of instruction, not replace them. By recognizing the limits of ChatGPT and pushing themselves beyond those limits, students can learn to identify and address the weaknesses in their own writing, and they can learn to structure their arguments in a more logical and coherent way.```

This is a completely reasonable and insightful comment.Along with any comments critical of Kagi, it is downvoted to oblivion. I have to say the way Kagi shills overwhelm any discussion on HN is incredibly frustrating. They hijack every thread. They even post about HN being their main source of customers. They have hacked HN, no two ways about it.

For anyone who might feel I am being unreasonable or that this post was somehow wrong-headed, this is Wikipedia's description of The Turner Diaries.

"The Turner Diaries is a 1978 novel by William Luther Pierce, published under the pseudonym Andrew Macdonald. It depicts a violent revolution in the United States which leads to the overthrow of the federal government, a nuclear war, and, ultimately, a race war which leads to the systematic extermination of non-whites. All groups opposed by the novel's protagonist, Earl Turner—including Jews, non-whites, "liberal actors", and politicians—are murdered en masse."

The commenter was reasonable.

I am (obviously) copying and pasting the same urls that appear in the search results I shared individually into the url entry form on the Kagi summarizer page.

Also, being realistic, I do not believe that many normal people try to summarize the full text of old public domain ebooks. If you search for Moby Dick, much better resources come up, and that is what you want a summary for. People want a summary when they are searching to know if they should read more.

I find it does well with ebooks. I haven't tried with pdfs or videos. The quality of the AndiSearch summaries for the things I use every day like articles, Wikipedia and technical documentation is very good.

The Summarize button is on the search results, therefore you don't need to visit a separate site and paste in the url. Additionally, you already know when a summary is available as the button only shows when it is. It is new but already I feel that it changes how you use a search engine having this feature available right there on the results.

The Kagi one said 'No summary available at this moment, please try again later.' for many of the urls I tried.

Right up there with "On Error Resume Next" from the world of VB!

I liked this. I don't like that they took it offline without even updating the home page. Frustrating. I was searching into the void.

A friend who is a Kagi user told me that they posted on Discord they have taken it offline. Meh. It has been down for days. It was Kagi's contribution to free and open search launched when Marginalia came out.

The home page still shows promotional spiel, but searches no longer work and it sounds like it isn't coming back.

Maybes Kagi only launched Teclis to try to kill the handful of tiny independent non-commercial search engines like Marginalia.nu and Wiby. I weep for free and open non-commercial search engines when big corporates can do this to them.

I am hoping for Marginalia.nu can thrive now. A commercial search engine running non-commercial search always seemed off.

Does anyone know that means Kagi is just repurposing Google and Bing results now?