aguyfromnb

Exactly. I think some HNers would be amazed if they read the terms associated with Tesla doing business in China.

Hey, it's the guy who called Tesla a "good corporate citizen" just a few months ago. Let's add: breaking stay-at-home orders, called the US government "fascist" while praising China, hired people to hack the personal computers of a whistleblower (as reported in a recent deposition filing), extorted the California government, and forced their workers back to the factory floor amid the pandemic to the list of "good" things.

>I think the rule with Elon Musk is all his estimates are extremely optimistic and you need to multiply them by two or three to get closer to reality.

What about all the promises that have been made that never came to fruition? Do we just exclude those from this formula?

>A lot of folks on HN seems to be approaching this whole situation from the I have a ton of money, can work from home, have a car mental model.

You think poor people are using Uber to get around?

>Our lockdowns were so badly done they didn't even decrease the daily case count.

Is it any wonder? Look at the comments here. Look at guys like Elon Musk breaking quarantine for economic reasons and getting praised for it. Conspiracies abound.

This didn't happen in less partisan countries. Like absolutely everything else in the US, the lockdown became a political issue, for and against it.

Where I'm from, everyone took it seriously and in a matter of weeks we got down to ZERO active cases. Then again, we don't hate people who have different politics.

>There won’t be any more farmers in the future but only farming corporations.

Is this any different than, "pretty soon there won't be any local movie rental places (or retail places), it'll just be content delivery corporations"?

I do share concerns about this kind of movement, and think it needs to be done judiciously, in every industry. However, I do not agree that just because you're "small" or "independent" you are inherently better or care more. There are pros and cons. People are people and don't become "evil" by working for larger firms.

Silicon Valley seems to be very suspicious of corporate consolidation in every industry, but turns a blind eye as Facebook/Google/Amazon do it on a scale rarely ever seen.

>Why do people conclude that without making a valuation?

Most retail investors are not making any valuations whatsoever. The investment criteria is "this company's future is bright/bad", even though price is the most important factor. Then, recent momentum makes you look good...for now.

>Carmakers are also defined as a COVID19 critical industry, and every other carmaker manufacturing in the United States is either open, or capable of open today. This puts Tesla at a serious disadvantage.

So locking down is just "locking down", but arbitrarily classifying car building as essential during a massive economic downtown is a-okay with you? Seems reasonable.

>and every other carmaker manufacturing in the United States is either open, or capable of open today.

Wrong, many are opening on May 18th, which is when the government of CA would have opened Tesla. They couldn't wait 10 days.

>This puts Tesla at a serious disadvantage.

First of all, what does the health of the public have to do with the fairness of car competition?

Second, I thought Tesla had unlimited money and unlimited demand? What's the issue if they're closed for a few weeks?

The podcast was boring nonsense. Elon or China claiming things don't make them true.

May 18th, the exact date Alameda County was going to allow Tesla to open until Musk had another hissy fit.

What does one thing have to do with the other?

The public health officials who, believe it or not know more about this than Elon Musk,said they want specific metrics met before opening. Period.

So Elon did what he does and is bullying them. He called the public health official in charge, a pediatrician at Oakland's Childrens Hospital "ignorant" and "unelected". His horrible fanbase is loving it,and spamming the Alameda County offices with complaints. Why doesn't he say that about the officials in China? He'd be out on his ass, that's why.

You don't think a controversial, SV darling CEO suing to allow his non essential business to open amidst a pandemic is notable?

What about his public attacks on the civil servants involved in determine the rules for public safety?

What about the fact he's decrying "unelected officials" and "fascism" in the US,while praising the CCP and expanding Chinese production?

It's unbelievable people continue to defend this man here.

China bound.