Sauer_Kraut
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Comment · 13 years ago
Comment · 13 years ago
Why do you keep stating such things as "he's trying to keep it safe" or "NSA is trying to help the citizens of the US."
Do you have information on this or do you keep on stating your opinion as fact?
Comment · 13 years ago
No, no.
edit: Tried to respond below but have been "submitting too fast" while submitting nothing for far too long to care to wait more.
I am not saying the NSA has flawless execution, you are the one repeating it for whatever reason.
I'm saying the NSA/Administration when pushed had to put out something that showed the spying was 'working.' In response they said multiples of domestic plots were foiled. Given the lack of full disclosure as to what the US's secret laws are secretly doing, we are forced to parse the headlines and the body count of the population for information on what has happened, where people went.
Problem is there is only a handful of incidents revealed to the public. The Boston bombers don't count because even though they fit NSA criteria for observation they apparently had no clue about their actions. The Al-Shabaab money provider was explicitly mentioned, so that is one.
Since we know the US kidnaps and tortures people, then makes every attempt to have the guilty escape[1], we don't require further evidence to ask the questions:
Where are the bodies, living or dead, of the others involved in domestic cases the NSA said they helped foil? The NSA says the program is for terrorists, the US government is known to rendition their victims away to be tortured under claims of them being terrorists. This has been documented enough to appease you.
If the NSA's spying program is not meant to result in the kidnapping and torture of others, what is it for? Bringing people to court?
Again, where are those involved in the domestic incidents cited as being foiled by the NSA?
Not all in court, that is for sure.
[1] http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/07/18/how_a_cia_off...
Comment · 13 years ago
"Realistically these companies don't have much choice"
Of course they do. They can comply or not. If they do not comply they may face court. Of course it is impossible to say how that court would go since none of them are making a choice to stop being co-conspirators.
Comment · 13 years ago
"I know it for the same reason I know unicorns and leprechauns don't exist - there is no credible evidence supporting it."
Of course there is no credible evidence when evidence is known to be actively suppressed. See: 'Intel Laundering.'
Also the US boasts that spying resulted in thwarted attempts. Where are those court cases? More importantly, where are the bodies of those involved? Sure is easy to not have credible evidence when all evidence aside from one sided snippets and meaningless statistics is never published.
edit: diminoten sure shifts goal posts around a lot. Changing persons to US persons, etc.
Comment · 13 years ago
Aside from the details that show the NSA having employees in companies install monitoring hardware worldwide? Or those that assist in providing data in return for some themselves?
None of that counts to you because "there's just no reason to believe such a thing." You are essentially saying you don't believe anything you may have read in the past few years counts as control.
What IS control then, other than the ability to control others, which the US/NSA has attempting to keep on top of since the shift in data traffic trends in the 1990s.
Comment · 13 years ago
"No one has "control" over the Internet."
Aside from the people who control the hardware, and the NSA/others seem to have control over those people, getting them to install monitoring hardware.
"I also don't like this, "us vs. them" rhetoric"
I am able to be prosecuted for creating "hacking tools" while Endgame Systems has the NSA pay them a million+ a year to access data from those "hacking tools."
'There are even target packs for democratic countries in Europe and other U.S. allies. Maui (product names tend toward alluring warm-weather locales) is a package of 25 zero-day exploits that runs clients $2.5 million a year. The Cayman botnet-analytics package gets you access to a database of Internet addresses, organization names, and worm types for hundreds of millions of infected computers, and costs $1.5 million.[1]'
In this environment of immunity granted to profiteers while my friends and I are prosecuted, it is "us vs. them."
Stop attempting to blow out meaningless opinions like "The NSA is on our side" in response to articles showing the opposite.
Comment · 13 years ago
Too big to be considered anything but fellow conspirators.
Comment · 13 years ago
Deciphering the doublespeak is tough. "Touches" implies, at least to me, data that passes through hardware controlled one way or another by the NSA or it's corporate affiliates.
It's affiliates..
That brings me to "The reality is the NSA has no physical ability to touch 1/4 of the basketball court." As we know the NSA hires corporations like Booz Allen, another such corporate entity is Endgame Systems[1]. In terms of courts Endgame dabbles in collections and offensive operations that cover the entire court:
"There are even target packs for democratic countries in Europe and other U.S. allies. Maui (product names tend toward alluring warm-weather locales) is a package of 25 zero-day exploits that runs clients $2.5 million a year."
"The Cayman botnet-analytics package gets you access to a database of Internet addresses, organization names, and worm types for hundreds of millions of infected computers, and costs $1.5 million."
The use of malware, most probably the very malware others are prosecuted for, gives the NSA a limited but as cgshaw noted valuable foothold into otherwise dark neighborhoods of the net.
Comment · 13 years ago
"You're generally just supposed to know the law. Nobody necessarily tells it to you."
If no one tells you, then how are you meant to know?
How?
Comment · 13 years ago
It would happen at the same time as the closing of Guantanamo Bay, I imagine.
Comment · 13 years ago
Sure thing buddy, extremely large whales absorbing a pond of little fish will make the price (rate of exchange relative to whatever currency you fancy) more stable.
All sarcasm aside I highly doubt this will be a good thing for end users of bitcoin.
Comment · 13 years ago
You assume that I made that assumption, that is wrong.
My position is those attempting to cause change from within have while at work helped give inertia and acceptance to what they think they want to fight against while at home watching the evening news.
Nothing stops them from finding other venues of employment, many excuses are made as to how they want to fight from within. We end up with users on forums attempting to defend their profiting from the entire ordeal. Complicit.
Essentially I am saying working from within is only a good choice for those who find themselves already in that position, like Snowden. Otherwise more harm is done.
Comment · 13 years ago
Right, it is called disengaging, but that is not what you did. You yourself choose to waste your time and energy on this.
"if you're not from the US, I feel like you should have known that was a possibility."
Known exactly what was a possibility? In another comment I brought up Endgame Systems, here is some of their offerings:
'There are even target packs for democratic countries in Europe and other U.S. allies. Maui (product names tend toward alluring warm-weather locales) is a package of 25 zero-day exploits that runs clients $2.5 million a year. The Cayman botnet-analytics package gets you access to a database of Internet addresses, organization names, and worm types for hundreds of millions of infected computers, and costs $1.5 million.'
When you say 'foreigners' should have known the NSA "doing their thing" so to speak is a possibility, does that include them being exploited, or their stolen financial/personal information on botnets being used by the NSA?