Duanemclemore
Joined 3 years ago
Joined 3 years ago
I have to actively teach them how to use and navigate file folders, how to make an appointment in Outlook, and other fundamental user operations. I don't blame them, I blame the developers primarily of browser based cloud apps and OS's.
Edited to add: this includes using ctl and arrows to move by whole words, etc. fundamental stuff in the apps they would have been using since a young age. Not to mention how to use the fn key to access the other functions of Function keys, and fn-esc to switch the behavior globally on their laptops.
[0] https://codeberg.org/river/river
[1] https://isaacfreund.com/blog/river-window-management/
[2] https://codeberg.org/river/wiki/src/branch/main/pages/wm-lis...
[3] I even had Claude vibe-code one for me based on a Dfns / tacit-where-possible style of APL, heavily commented so I could learn some new stuff about APL. I haven't shared it publicly since River has a no-LLM policy and I want to respect that.
It's been all downhill since.
He appears in an old CBC documentary about the Yorkville neighborhood and the hippies there from then.
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.3202122
*ETA: Whoops I just realized he was born in SC, but he grew up in Virginia. So THAT'S where he fled to Toronto from.
Not that it's the ideal solution. But it would be really neat.
To be clear, I say "inaccurate" rather than "wrong" in this case because even if the information it returns is factually correct to the question being asked, students don't have an understanding of the complexity of the interdependent tectonic, regulatory, and spatial / experiential factors of a building sophisticated enough to ask their questions of the specificity and nuance necessary to get a good output that addresses the entire problem.
Anyway - with the students still learning to ask questions the right way, and the conditionally-incorrect facts making their learning more complicated rather than less, I hit on a strategy for them to use LLM's that seemed to help much better.
I suggested that instead of ask the LLM for the factual answer, or even better for the facts and an explanation, that they ask it to direct them to the proper place in the source material to find the answer themselves. Then, to treat it like a lab partner. IE:
Hey Claude I'm looking for "x."
Claude: "look at foo, bar."
Thank you - chapter (foo) part (bar) table (goo) says "car." However I notice that footnote (hoo) says there's an exception if "dar." Which is what I have. Walk me through this exception...
It seemed to have good results as a guide to understanding the disparate bodies of knowledge that they will eventually have to keep together in their heads and work synthetically and non-linearly through, rather than just as an external source of blindly trusted authority.
Depending on what state you live in, that's not bad these days.
https://shop.nist.gov/ccrz__ProductDetails?sku=1196a&cclcl=e...
https://open.spotify.com/episode/21nolZRWrV8M2W28NxCMVa?si=f...
Essential reading alongside the Illich (also linked by others), Pye's Nature and Art of Workmanship [1], and Winner's "Do Artifacts Have Politics?" [2] for those interested in.... Let's call it an ecology OF technology?
And also the Papanek was probably the book that felt most like a forbidden text in undergraduate architecture school...
[0] https://archive.org/details/designforrealwor0000papa/page/n6...
[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20260622140511/https://nevergive...
The state I saw appears to be preserved in the first Wayback Machine snapshot:
https://web.archive.org/web/20260622140511/https://nevergive...
So... is it part of the parable they're trying to tell that they're seeing who will go against the exact sort of advice they're giving? Or does this -just happen to be- the kind of shady data gathering that they're warning against?
to quote the site itself, "We spent a generation teaching people the first rule of the internet: never give out your real identity to strangers."
Even then there were dozens upon dozens of them on display. It was mind bending.
[0] http://Xover0.com
[1] where we use computational tools to implement sophisticated geometries for advanced fabrication while still creating high-quality heirloom sterling silver jewelry.