> Facts remains facts, whoever spins a propaganda out of it.
Indeed. And the fact remains that Yanukovych became a political corpse overnight and the entire political establishment of Ukraine - including his own party - voted against him. He was a dead man like Richard Nixon after the Watergate tapes, when even senior Republicans told Nixon that they refuse to support him any further.
> Yeah, when facts don't suit you, it is ofcourse fake or "misinterpretation" or even irrelevant because of the "source" along with snide subtle remarks that imply how you alone are superior in intellect, and everyone else who doesn't agree with you is automatically dumb.
You can ask a Hebrew speaker about the mistranslations, if you don't trust me. The overall matter is well known: foreign governments initially did everything they could to force Ukraine into any kind of deal with Russians, but that position became untenable after the Bucha massacre was discovered. They stopped pressuring Ukraine further and instead increased military aid like Ukraine had desperately requested. This was one of the central topics in spring 2022 and massively covered in the press.
This can come as a surprise only if you've read prepackaged narratives from Russian propagandists instead of following the news and forming your own opinion.
> Again with the pedantic gaslighting. It is public knowledge that is even cited in a book. If you had any real interest to verify it, you can easily do so online.
You said that "Putin had publicly said that if Ukraine joins NATO, Ukraine would do so without Crimea and the Eastern regions." There is no such public statement from him. No press release, no transcript of a speech, nor anything else of that kind.
> You aren't dumb. I have even cited the exact line from it. Read it again.
Here is a scan of the original copy of the declaration of independence in Ukrainian:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Declarat...Here is the English translation of the document: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Act_of_Declaration_of_Indepen...
It makes no mention of neutrality.
> I guess even Henry Kissinger was brainwashed by the Russians
He was wrong, like many were, and changed his mind after the Russian invasion of Ukraine: “Before this war, I was opposed to membership of Ukraine in NATO, because I feared that it would start exactly the process that we are seeing now,” Mr. Kissinger said remotely at a session of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “The idea of a neutral Ukraine under these conditions is no longer meaningful. I believe Ukrainian membership in NATO would be an appropriate outcome.”
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/davos2023/card/kissinger-ba... > If it were not for the political wisdom of the Americans and the Russians, warmongering Europeans would gladly start WW3.
Strange to accuse of warmongering the only party of the three that hasn't started an utterly unjustifiable war (Russia v Ukraine; USA v Iran).
This can come as a surprise only if you've read prepackaged narratives from Russian propagandists instead of following the news and forming your own opinion.
You said that "Putin had publicly said that if Ukraine joins NATO, Ukraine would do so without Crimea and the Eastern regions." There is no such public statement from him. No press release, no transcript of a speech, nor anything else of that kind. Here is a scan of the original copy of the declaration of independence in Ukrainian: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Declarat...Here is the English translation of the document: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Act_of_Declaration_of_Indepen...
It makes no mention of neutrality.
He was wrong, like many were, and changed his mind after the Russian invasion of Ukraine: “Before this war, I was opposed to membership of Ukraine in NATO, because I feared that it would start exactly the process that we are seeing now,” Mr. Kissinger said remotely at a session of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “The idea of a neutral Ukraine under these conditions is no longer meaningful. I believe Ukrainian membership in NATO would be an appropriate outcome.” https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/davos2023/card/kissinger-ba... Strange to accuse of warmongering the only party of the three that hasn't started an utterly unjustifiable war (Russia v Ukraine; USA v Iran).