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There was no-one to threaten ... Nobody in the real world cares about Nuland ... is supposed to be a huge smoking-gun evidence of a "coup", when really, it's not.Gaslighting is the lowest form of propaganda. As I said before, this kind of politics is why even an idiot like Trump managed to beat Biden ("there is no genocide in Gaza, Ukraine is winning ..."), and why the warmongers in UK, Germany and France are now losing electoral popularity at such a fast rate to even fringe political groups who otherwise have a tough time getting votes. In the long term, political lies don't stand up to stark facts.
- You'd be a fool to characterize that as "planning who to install" in the US.
Facts remains facts, whoever spins a propaganda out of it. You are intelligent enough to understand that I didn't make any conclusion only on the basis of that "one call alone" and that my reasoning is based from the pre-coup to the post-coup scenario. That you are willing to defend the undemocratic and violent actions of the extreme right- in Ukraine, just because they hate Russians like you do, really shows how low the west / Europe has fallen in its political thinking ...
- If you're relying on English subtitles, then they're a well-known mistranslation. ... you're the one who's fallen for a cheap trick here.
Yeah, when facts don't suit you, it is ofcourse fake or "misinterpretation" or even irrelevant because of the "source" along with snide subtle remarks that imply how you alone are superior in intellect, and everyone else who doesn't agree with you is automatically dumb.
- There is no such public statement...
Again with the pedantic gaslighting. It is public knowledge that is even cited in a book. If you had any real interest to verify it, you can easily do so online.
- The declaration of independence makes no mention of neutrality
You aren't dumb. I have even cited the exact line from it. Read it again. And if you still don't understand it, I'll kindly assume that English isn't your first language - in that case, make a post on https://ell.stackexchange.com/ and they will explain it to you in more simpler terms than I can.
- So contrary to your claim, Ukraine did not make a commitment of neutrality to anyone.
I respect your right to choose to be ignorant.
- The "context" is a standard mishmash of Russian tropes ...
I guess even Henry Kissinger was brainwashed by the Russians -
> ... Russia is strategically threatened on each of its borders: by a demographic nightmare on its Chinese border; by an ideological nightmare in the form of radical Islam along its equally long southern border; and to the West, by Europe, which Moscow considers an historic challenge. Russia seeks recognition as a great power, as an equal, and not as a supplicant in an American-designed system ... Russia was built by an elite who transported serfs to distant fields and by Tsars who proclaimed, “This swamp land will be the city of Odessa or the city of St. Petersburg.” They are sustained in part by a sort of mystic relationship with their hardships and their vision. They had survived centuries under the Mongols. Charles XII of Sweden marched into Russia because he thought it would be easy to impose a Swedish ruler in Moscow. What he found were Russian peasants burning their own crops in order to deny food to the invaders. They would starve themselves before they would let him take over their country. He had marched across Europe, but he had never seen this before. His troops were forced to go south into Ukraine just to survive, where they were ultimately defeated ... Geopolitically, Putin governs a country with 11 time zones. Few countries in history have started more wars or caused more turmoil than Russia in its eternal quest for security and status. It is also true, however, that at critical junctures Russia has saved the world’s equilibrium from forces that sought to overwhelm it: from the Mongols in the 16th century, from Sweden in the 18th century, from Napoleon in the 19th century, and from Hitler in the 20th century. In the contemporary period, Russia will be important in overcoming radical Islam, partly because it is home to some 20 million Muslims, particularly in the Caucasus and along Russia’s southern border. Russia will also be a factor in the equilibrium of Asia.
> ... I favor an independent Ukraine that is militarily non-aligned. If you remove the two Donbas regions from eastern Ukraine, you guarantee that Ukraine is permanently hostile to Russia, since it becomes dominated by its Western part, which only joined Russia in the 1940s. The solution, then, is to find a way to give these units a degree of autonomy that gives them a voice in military entanglements, but otherwise keeps them under the governance of Ukraine.
- ..."everyone's the same" narrative doesn't hold water.
Oh, everyone is NOT the same. If it were not for the political wisdom of the Americans and the Russians, warmongering Europeans would gladly start WW3. Thank god for Trump and Putin!
Gaslighting is the lowest form of propaganda. As I said before, this kind of politics is why even an idiot like Trump managed to beat Biden ("there is no genocide in Gaza, Ukraine is winning ..."), and why the warmongers in UK, Germany and France are now losing electoral popularity at such a fast rate to even fringe political groups who otherwise have a tough time getting votes. In the long term, political lies don't stand up to stark facts.
- You'd be a fool to characterize that as "planning who to install" in the US.
Facts remains facts, whoever spins a propaganda out of it. You are intelligent enough to understand that I didn't make any conclusion only on the basis of that "one call alone" and that my reasoning is based from the pre-coup to the post-coup scenario. That you are willing to defend the undemocratic and violent actions of the extreme right- in Ukraine, just because they hate Russians like you do, really shows how low the west / Europe has fallen in its political thinking ...
- If you're relying on English subtitles, then they're a well-known mistranslation. ... you're the one who's fallen for a cheap trick here.
Yeah, when facts don't suit you, it is ofcourse fake or "misinterpretation" or even irrelevant because of the "source" along with snide subtle remarks that imply how you alone are superior in intellect, and everyone else who doesn't agree with you is automatically dumb.
- There is no such public statement...
Again with the pedantic gaslighting. It is public knowledge that is even cited in a book. If you had any real interest to verify it, you can easily do so online.
- The declaration of independence makes no mention of neutrality
You aren't dumb. I have even cited the exact line from it. Read it again. And if you still don't understand it, I'll kindly assume that English isn't your first language - in that case, make a post on https://ell.stackexchange.com/ and they will explain it to you in more simpler terms than I can.
- So contrary to your claim, Ukraine did not make a commitment of neutrality to anyone.
I respect your right to choose to be ignorant.
- The "context" is a standard mishmash of Russian tropes ...
I guess even Henry Kissinger was brainwashed by the Russians -
> ... Russia is strategically threatened on each of its borders: by a demographic nightmare on its Chinese border; by an ideological nightmare in the form of radical Islam along its equally long southern border; and to the West, by Europe, which Moscow considers an historic challenge. Russia seeks recognition as a great power, as an equal, and not as a supplicant in an American-designed system ... Russia was built by an elite who transported serfs to distant fields and by Tsars who proclaimed, “This swamp land will be the city of Odessa or the city of St. Petersburg.” They are sustained in part by a sort of mystic relationship with their hardships and their vision. They had survived centuries under the Mongols. Charles XII of Sweden marched into Russia because he thought it would be easy to impose a Swedish ruler in Moscow. What he found were Russian peasants burning their own crops in order to deny food to the invaders. They would starve themselves before they would let him take over their country. He had marched across Europe, but he had never seen this before. His troops were forced to go south into Ukraine just to survive, where they were ultimately defeated ... Geopolitically, Putin governs a country with 11 time zones. Few countries in history have started more wars or caused more turmoil than Russia in its eternal quest for security and status. It is also true, however, that at critical junctures Russia has saved the world’s equilibrium from forces that sought to overwhelm it: from the Mongols in the 16th century, from Sweden in the 18th century, from Napoleon in the 19th century, and from Hitler in the 20th century. In the contemporary period, Russia will be important in overcoming radical Islam, partly because it is home to some 20 million Muslims, particularly in the Caucasus and along Russia’s southern border. Russia will also be a factor in the equilibrium of Asia.
> ... I favor an independent Ukraine that is militarily non-aligned. If you remove the two Donbas regions from eastern Ukraine, you guarantee that Ukraine is permanently hostile to Russia, since it becomes dominated by its Western part, which only joined Russia in the 1940s. The solution, then, is to find a way to give these units a degree of autonomy that gives them a voice in military entanglements, but otherwise keeps them under the governance of Ukraine.
- ..."everyone's the same" narrative doesn't hold water.
Oh, everyone is NOT the same. If it were not for the political wisdom of the Americans and the Russians, warmongering Europeans would gladly start WW3. Thank god for Trump and Putin!