> Second, this is similar to the "equalise things by dragging everyone down to the same level"-type of thinking.
> and not allowing for an opportunity to write really good code. Basically, enforced mediocrity.
> straightforward, laziest, zero optimisation code, and giving themselves an excuse for that.
> justify their laziness,
Jesus christ you have so much disdain for such a large set of people. Have you ever considered that you might have a chip on your shoulder about Haskell adoption?
> There should be a place for languages which are ambitious and aren't afraid to break things.
There is - it's research and hobby, not production. Like literally "not afraid to break things" is the antithesis of an industrial language.
Sometimes I wonder if some language communities really are cults. It's the same with Lisp - replace "type system" with "homoiconic" and you have the exact same mantras about ultimate supremacy and "intellectual" superiority. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating and across probably 10 computing devices in my home, not a single one has any Haskell or Lisp programs running on it. Lots of Java, C, C++, Python, Rust, Bash, JavaScript, even Perl (probably) but not a single binary compiled from Haskell or Lisp interpreter to be found. To any reasonable person, that should be a strong signal about the so called "power" and value of their sacred cow.
Put another way: the word language in the concept of programming language isn't accidental and learning a niche programming language is comparable to learning a niche human language - have fun, expand your horizons, but don't pretend it's useful.
> and not allowing for an opportunity to write really good code. Basically, enforced mediocrity.
> straightforward, laziest, zero optimisation code, and giving themselves an excuse for that.
> justify their laziness,
Jesus christ you have so much disdain for such a large set of people. Have you ever considered that you might have a chip on your shoulder about Haskell adoption?
> There should be a place for languages which are ambitious and aren't afraid to break things.
There is - it's research and hobby, not production. Like literally "not afraid to break things" is the antithesis of an industrial language.
Sometimes I wonder if some language communities really are cults. It's the same with Lisp - replace "type system" with "homoiconic" and you have the exact same mantras about ultimate supremacy and "intellectual" superiority. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating and across probably 10 computing devices in my home, not a single one has any Haskell or Lisp programs running on it. Lots of Java, C, C++, Python, Rust, Bash, JavaScript, even Perl (probably) but not a single binary compiled from Haskell or Lisp interpreter to be found. To any reasonable person, that should be a strong signal about the so called "power" and value of their sacred cow.
Put another way: the word language in the concept of programming language isn't accidental and learning a niche programming language is comparable to learning a niche human language - have fun, expand your horizons, but don't pretend it's useful.