> ... If you make the completely arbitrary assumption ...
What do you mean by an "arbitrary assumption". The first definition that comes up for "arbitrary" is "Based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system". If you agree with this definition, then do you also think that there is "completely" NO REASON to assume that the Peano axioms are true? If so, is this because the Peano axioms are merely assumptions, and not themselves proven?
> If you reject the Peano axioms, then it's not true anymore.
How would someone rejecting axioms, make statements consistent with those axioms untrue?
> The fact that the truth of that statement is completely dependent on your arbitrary choice of axioms should tell you that it's not a statement about reality.
I'll agree that the truth of any mathematical statement is dependent upon the framework under which you view it, but that doesn't stop the statement from being true or false under those frameworks regardless of which frameworks a person chooses to use. Those frameworks don't depend on human minds, so even before mathematical axioms were formulated by humans "1 + 9 = 10" was still true under the Peano axioms, and that will still be true after humans have died off. That which is true is "in accordance with fact or reality".
> So, can you demonstrate that there is a non-physical reality?
Yes.
(Note: Potential is possible state, actual is current state)
A) If potential states of the universe do not exist, then the universe can't change states.
B) The universe can change states.
C) If potential states of the universe are physical, then potential states of the universe would be observable hear and now.
D) If potential states of the universe are observable hear and now, then potential states of the universe would be actual and potential at the same time.
E) Potential states of the universe are not actual and potential at the same time.
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F) Potential states of the universe exist. (modus tollens A,B)
G) Potential states of the universe are not observable hear and now. (modus tollens D,E)
H) Potential states of the universe are not physical. (modus tollens C,G)
I) Potential states of the universe exist and potential states of the universe are not physical. (conjunction introduction F,H)
> The problem with your example ["You must not steal"] is not that it's somehow about morals, the problem is that you simply didn't make a claim, but a command. And that is not because it is impossible to make claims about morals, but because you intentionally avoided making a claim.
Saying I intentionally avoided making a claim is disingenuous, you may have merely misinterpreted what I was trying to say. How might you respond to a rephrasing such as "It is immoral to <X>"?
> What would be an example of a religious claim that is "not scientific", other than claims about an afterlife?
"God is a trinity of three divine persons each fully possessing one divine nature."
What do you mean by an "arbitrary assumption". The first definition that comes up for "arbitrary" is "Based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system". If you agree with this definition, then do you also think that there is "completely" NO REASON to assume that the Peano axioms are true? If so, is this because the Peano axioms are merely assumptions, and not themselves proven?
> If you reject the Peano axioms, then it's not true anymore.
How would someone rejecting axioms, make statements consistent with those axioms untrue?
> The fact that the truth of that statement is completely dependent on your arbitrary choice of axioms should tell you that it's not a statement about reality.
I'll agree that the truth of any mathematical statement is dependent upon the framework under which you view it, but that doesn't stop the statement from being true or false under those frameworks regardless of which frameworks a person chooses to use. Those frameworks don't depend on human minds, so even before mathematical axioms were formulated by humans "1 + 9 = 10" was still true under the Peano axioms, and that will still be true after humans have died off. That which is true is "in accordance with fact or reality".
> So, can you demonstrate that there is a non-physical reality?
Yes. (Note: Potential is possible state, actual is current state)
A) If potential states of the universe do not exist, then the universe can't change states. B) The universe can change states. C) If potential states of the universe are physical, then potential states of the universe would be observable hear and now. D) If potential states of the universe are observable hear and now, then potential states of the universe would be actual and potential at the same time. E) Potential states of the universe are not actual and potential at the same time. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- F) Potential states of the universe exist. (modus tollens A,B) G) Potential states of the universe are not observable hear and now. (modus tollens D,E) H) Potential states of the universe are not physical. (modus tollens C,G) I) Potential states of the universe exist and potential states of the universe are not physical. (conjunction introduction F,H)
> The problem with your example ["You must not steal"] is not that it's somehow about morals, the problem is that you simply didn't make a claim, but a command. And that is not because it is impossible to make claims about morals, but because you intentionally avoided making a claim.
Saying I intentionally avoided making a claim is disingenuous, you may have merely misinterpreted what I was trying to say. How might you respond to a rephrasing such as "It is immoral to <X>"?
> What would be an example of a religious claim that is "not scientific", other than claims about an afterlife?
"God is a trinity of three divine persons each fully possessing one divine nature."