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It's supposed to be available in plaintext to the end customer (government), at their secured archive, but not available in plaintext to TeleMessage.

>TeleMessage lies about this in their marketing material, claiming that TM SGNL supports "End-to-End encryption from the mobile phone through to the corporate archive."

Surely someone of your expertise and renown recognizes this difference.

>My point, where is the proof of that "religious element" beyond memes? Is it in the article? Is it in the links? Where can we see this religious fervor in action?

You can argue with fossuser about the validity of what they said.

I'll offer my opinion, which is not some proof from god or anything that you seem to be seeking, which is that I find significantly more annoying comments from Rust users, about how something should be rewritten in Rust to fix everything, than any other language. But, again, this is not proof from god. I'm just a guy making an observation based on my lived experience. You have a different lived experience. Glad we could clear that up.

>Ok. Where is the proselytizing taking place in the article?

It's not? It's like you're picking random words out of my comment to quote without bothering to read what I'm writing. Nothing of what I said is about the article. It's about your misinterpretation of what fossuser meant when they said "religious element".

I can't explain the same thing for a third (fourth, I guess? since I just tried again) time, I'm running out of different ways to say it. So I'll just leave it there.

Your meta-commentary on memes is neat and all, but again, somehow, completely misses the point I was making.

I think I'm on (relatively) the same page as you regarding inappropriately anthropomorphizing LLMs, but aren't both "confabulation" and "hallucination" typically/historically cognitive science terms dealing with humans? So, they both would be anthropomorphizing? And if so, why is one better than the other?

"Confabulation was originally defined as "the emergence of memories of events and experiences which never took place" - From the year 1900

>Ok, but between me, GP and the article, who said that? Where are the Rabid RIIR fans?

The person you replied to said: "The religious element of rust programmers seems more extreme than other languages."

You interpreted that in a way that ended up with you asking "What is religious about rewriting tools in Rust".

I clarified that the typical way "religious element of rust programmers" is interpreted is not the act of rewriting tools, but the proselytizing about rust on message boards. I then gave an example of what that proselytizing typically looks like (which was not a claim that you said something like that).

That is the "religious element" being referred to. The proselytizing is the religious element, not the act of rewriting tools in Rust.

(The meme "Rust Evangelists" didn't manifest out of thin air because people hate memory safety or whatever -- it's because people are really, really passionate about Rust, and are vocal about that passion)

>What is religious about rewriting tools in Rust?

"Religious" isn't being used to refer to people rewriting tools in Rust.

It's used to refer to people zealously commenting on message boards that every single tool ever built should be rewritten in Rust, and if you aren't rewriting your tool in Rust, you're an idiot.

>much higher quality and consistency than artisans.

Consistency, sure.

Higher quality...? I'll take my artisan bread over Wonder bread, my hand-crafted table over Ikea, etc.

>I'm still searching for successful vibe coding examples.

I'm wondering what this means.

Kind of by definition, you wouldn't be able to tell "successful vibe coding" from "successful coding", right? Unless someone announces it. And a quick look at the comments here, or any other thread with about AI & coding, would immediately tell you is a bad idea to announce.

There's a few things you just don't say on HN, because you'll be piled-on immediately: don't criticize Kagi, don't hint at being pro-cryptocurrency, don't announce you "vibe coded" something even if it's extremely successful, etc.

(The immediate downvotes on this is actually hilarious, and proves the point)

I didn't get that out of the comment at all, so I appreciate the clarification. Put that way, it makes significantly more sense.

The question was "what is the best way to market yourself?" and your recommendation is to keep quiet and do less marketing.

If that has worked for you, that's amazing! But it seems really counter-intuitive to me.

Minimum wage is barely (in many cases not even barely) enough to live on. Raising minimum wage is a herculean task that rarely succeeds. Federal minimum wage hasn't been raised in 16 years. But we'll have not only a livable UBI in 20 years, but one that's enough to "retire to a life of leisure"?

Doubt.

With what money? My kids aren't going to have enough money to retire to leisure in 20 years.