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That's how they presented their argument. It can be presented both ways depending on how you want to promote it.

Yes you're right. Unfortunately while using things for like I keep standing in the poop on the shed carpet.

yes I use it on macOS as well. I'm writing this on my Mac.

I am an active independent user group member. This isn't just about startups and big tech who are actually fairly low on seat counts. There are huge numbers lots of us corporate dystopias using this stack. On Windows. And you'll have never heard of any of us.

I wish Twitter was publicly traded right now. I need some excitement in my life.

Google or Russ Cox's reputation is irrelevant. The idea stands alone. I'm merely crediting him with the idea.

I read the proposal. There is no discussion of the legality of this at all. I'd expect anyone with any level of supposed technical competence to consider this in relation to global data protection. I suspect there has been no legal review as mentioned in the thread because I know how slow the lawyers in this space work and the timeline between publishing this and now is too short to have had a conclusive answer.

As for your point about GDPR, I think if you apply your right to withdraw from opt out data collection and what that entails and then ask how this glaring defect is missing from RSC's paper, then you'll see exactly how much privacy consideration really went into this.

They still are good products. If you stick your fingers in you ears and forget about the bad bits. It's like living in a garden shed which has been painted nicely inside. You can live a happy existence with a bit of ignorance.

So I'm miserable.

This place can be quite bipolar. I actually quit HN for a long period over the "second coming of Microsoft" when the entire HN crowd was crowing of Satya's ascent into grand hegemon position because the sycophantry was making me wretch. My comments about the same old Microsoft were downvoted to oblivion and any dissident voices squashed. The US tech community spoke and would not listen to warnings.

And here we are, back at ground zero.

Um, every .Net Core developer I know, which is quite a few at multiple companies, are still doing everything on Windows and Visual Studio classic. Windows is still a massive concern for the tech community and most of those people seem to absolutely dislike windows 11 to the point they're all using Macs at home. Even our windows-centric SQL Server DBAs have macs at home.

No one is going to buy corporate Macs though because Windows and Office is the best corporate dystopia for the compliance check boxers.

Ah Rust. I've written a few thousand lines. Nothing major. It feels like it's got the same personality as C++. You know a shit hot weapon that fires the world's most powerful missiles but at the same time makes embarrassing fart noises. I mean it's really good but I spend a lot of time defending the fart noises rather than firing the missiles.

No it's not up for debate at all. Much like when Microsoft did this with .Net core, the Github thread is clearly a misguided post by RSC expecting the community to conform or support it. They didn't so now it's a damage control exercise. It will happen.

Any corporate controlled project on this scale is prone to this failure mode.

I think you're right on the mark there. I'm jaded and cynical enough to know what's going to hurt me and what's going to pay the bills and that's where my interest stops. 20 years of C# and 35 years of Unix now :(

Worshipping any vendor is quite frankly a bit sad.

I tend to avoid having to solve problems now. If I do it tends to go somewhere vendor neutral like python on whatever platform happens to be lying around and not annoying me at the time.

But is that not the decision of the person who owns the data?

But that's wrong. There is no position for this in a civilised society:

"If we ask everyone is going to say no, so we will steal it unless someone tells us not to"

This is an incorrect assertion.

We have to ask for permission on our SaaS products to collect this data as it's not necessary to collect it for the product to function. The EU GDPR mandates this.

Russ Cox is suggesting that there is no permission step and that the data is collected by default.

That is the issue.

Imagine if GNU started adding telemetry to their compiler toolchain...

If that sounds fucking stupid, which it does, then so does this.