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Sure. The hang up here is SWEs belief those abstractions must be stored as some syntax they know; C, Python, RoR, Linux, Elixir... whatever.

There is zero obligation to capture the concept of memory safety in traditional software notation. If it was possible to look inside the hardware at runtime no one is going to see Rust syntax.

At runtime it's more appropriate to think of it as geometric functions redrawing electrical state geometrically to avoid collisions. And that's where future chip and system state management are headed.

Away from arbitrary syntax constructs with computational expensive parsing rules of the past towards a more efficient geometric functions abstraction embedded in the machine.

You don't see the connection because you weren't invited to participate in numerous discussions where these connections are made explicitly via detailed analysis.

I have more to do than refresh HN all day, going for brevity here.

Your expectation others must explicitly connect all the dots for you makes me question your grasp of reality. Most people alive are going about their lives unconcerned with your existence altogether.

"Highly charged politics". Relative emotional opinion.

I meant they aren't sticking with obligation to software history.

Of course they have not dumped their own methods.

You all really believe PhDs and principle hardware engineers at Samsung, nVidia, etc have not worked around any abstract problem you all can come up with?

We need a layer of abstraction not endless layers.

Nothing says unearned wisdom than script kiddies who intentionally had money thrown at them to reinforce belief their mastery of RoR CRUD app dev is genius beyond all comprehension. Zomg you know Linux admin? Here's $10 million dollars!

This thread is nothing but appeals to banal social conservatism. The disruptors on the verge of being the disrupted lashing out; wait, I was the job killer! Now you say my job is dead! So unfair!

Us hardware engineers been having a good laugh at SWEs easily manipulated the last 20 years by Wall Street hype of copy-paste SaaS products constantly reimplemented in the latest JS framework.

Throwing money at you all was intentional manipulation of primate biology. Juice your egos, get you to fall in line with desired agency control goals of the political and old money cohort.

Well starting over from first principles is exactly what the chip design and manufacture industry is doing. We also cannot afford, in non-finance terms, to burn all the resources on conservation of the existing software mess.

Automation is making it pretty easy to generalize all the abstraction into math automatically to inform how to evolve the manufacturing process.

Using American principles against Americans, it would run afoul of American free speech and agency ideals to dictate chip makers only engage in speech and agency that benefits software engineers.

Was in the room 25 years ago being instructed to help offshore hardware manufacturing as it was realized keeping such knowledge and informed workers domestic posed an existential threat to copyright cartels and media censorship interests.

It's a long term goal that was set aside during the ZIRP era as everyone was happy making money hand over fist.

Guess you all should have paid more attention to politics than believe since it only exists as a socialized theory it isn't real and can safely be ignored.

Americans make up a small portion of the 8 billion humans, and software engineers are an even smaller percent of the population. Other nations have rebuilt since the US bombed them to hell. They're not beholden to kowtow to a minority of the overall population.

Would recommend you set aside thinking in abstract philosophy puzzles and relate to world via its real physical properties.

Try almost 30 years in electrical engineering.

I know exactly what those layers of abstraction are used for. Why so many? Jobs making layers of abstraction.

But all of them are dev friendly means of modeling memory states for the CPU to watch and transform just so. They can all be compressed into a generic and generalized set of mathematical functions ridding ourselves of the various parser rules to manage each bespoke syntax inherent to each DSL, layers of framework.

Bachelors in electrical engineering, masters in math; elastic structures applied to modeling electrical systems.

Started career in late 90s designing boards for telecom companies network backbones.