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I think we can all agree that Trump is the most corrupt we have seen for a long time. but It doesnt change that carrot and the stick problem. There are people operating to destroy freedom using these people as figureheads to push an authoritarian agenda, on both sides of the isle. Until people wake up to that, we have no chance to change this.

No. We have to direct our energy to a different way of doing things. Voting inside of a corrupt system not working. Its like going into a mafia controlled city and voting for criminals expecting different results. How many decades need to elapse for this to be clear to you?

> The only solution is to elect better people. I know some people who hoped that Trump would be that in 2016 but he is just more of the same.

The system is rigged in such a way where that isn't a possibility. Look at the history of our country. ITS NOT WORKING.

The system has to change before we can elect better people. I cant believe I have to point this out with all thats going on... Every election the same arguments and the same responses.

Yep this authoritarian movement is much bigger than the parties. We will see, again and again, how much it matters and the go back to the same old game every election and everyone will forget about how they have been played the first time. Im so sick of this corrupt system.

You know what I love? We have spent over 100 years going back and forth on party politics. It has done nothing to move the bar on justice. The democrats silently allow the same things under the radar while the republicans do things out in the open. Its the carrot and the stick approach. Populism isn't working. We need to focus on systemic change. Both parties are filled with institutionalists that will do nothing to stop the real abuses because they gain significantly by keeping things they way they are..

Illinois is one of the most corrupt places in the country for criminal law.

Well I thought these things were torries related but I'm less sure about that. Not that it matters either way. Authiratianism seems like an epidemic that's affecting everyone with strong egos.

We have ICE agents rounding up people of color and disappearing them, so I'm not saying our problems are worse than yours I'm just saying we have common ground.

I'm not seeing how it's any different except you have a whole political party doing the damage of the same scale.

Well for me, I'm looking at the U.S problems first and foremost. And I see the UK is having problems under the authoritarianism banner same as us. But I don't judge UK's problems with the U.S. I see the UK as having big problems with freedom and corruption of the political system but I'm not a UK citizen so I have no idea. I always start with my own country and feel sad about what's happening across the world. The topics that are important to me are surveillance and censorship, and those issues are happening across different countries. The point I was trying to make originally was that we the U.S. need to focus on our own problems and stop worrying about other countries problems until we fix our own. And here in the US we have problems with corruption that needs to be fixed. We need to stop allowing money to affect our political system first and foremost and secondly, we need to stop corporations from making the world worse by enforcing antitrust.

What the hell are you talking about? We have the same problems as the UK and they are just as bad. We are at the cusp, while the UK is further in, but we still have the same problems..

> I wish them luck in that important work. In the meantime, we Americans have plenty more work to do on this side of the pond to protect our border and prevent the British, Australian, Russian, and other foreign censorship regimes from crossing it.

We got our own problems with Authoritarianism. There is no need to protect our borders from something our own government and corporations are practicing day in and day out on our own people, in our own country. You might want to acknowledge that first, before assuming we got problems across the pond.

And BTW the real answer is to enforce antitrust and put an end to Citizens United to prevent money from flowing into our political institutions and reign in these corrupt business. You might want to add that as well to your point about the GRANITE Act

That information doesn't stay with you domain provider. It's a 3rd party data collection system that will be used to surveil people eventually.