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Why not just write a script that does this but with all of the model providers and requests multiple completions from each? Why have a whole ass editor open just for code review?

I think you need to be more specific about which "chatgpt reasoning model" you used. Even the free version of chatgpt has reasoning/thinking now but there are also o1-mini, o1, o1-pro, o3-mini, o3, and o4-mini and they all have very different capabilities.

They only did that for image generation. The more interesting part is that an LLM can approach or find the correct caption for an image, video or audio during test time with no training using only the score as a guide. It's essentially working blind almost like the game Marco Polo where the scorer is saying "warmer" or "colder" while the LLM is finding its way towards the goal. This is an example of emergent capabilities since there are no examples of this in the training data.

Are you contending that every human derives their reasoning from first principals rather than being taught rules in a natural language?

Doing better than Firefox

It seems that you didn't understand the main point of the exposition. I'll summarize the ops comment a bit further.

Points 1 and 2 only explain how they are able to erroneously justify their absurd beliefs, they don't explain why they hold those beliefs.

Points 3 through 5 are the heart of the matter; egotistical and charismatic (to some types of people) leaders, open minded, freethinking and somewhat weird or marginalized people searching for meaning plus a way for them all to congregate around some shared interests.

TLDR: perfect conditions for one or more cults to form.

That's essentially what R1 Zero is showing:

> Notably, it is the first open research to validate that reasoning capabilities of LLMs can be incentivized purely through RL, without the need for SFT.

Worked great for Vancouver /s

This is a quick "fix" that has a lot of unintended consequences. I've seen it first hand and the only people it benefits are those who are already wealthy. Everyone else gets a lot poorer as their cost of living skyrockets. Homelessness explodes as rents and housing costs increase dramatically, people who were living a humble but decent life before are pushed into poverty, crime both non-violent and violent increases and so does drug use. As far as I can tell the only people that actually benefit from this scheme are landlords and housing developers who slow walk their projects so that they can charge the maximum price per unit. Compared to the previous fairly stable state (which you call stagnation) the locals are much worse off. It also tends to ruin the character of places that were previously seen as a vacation destination for a unique experience, all of that just gets paved over and turned into a bland tourist trap barely different from any other place. Count yourself lucky if you live somewhere that has been passed over by this horrid money making scheme.

I'm not sure if you've read many comments on here but there seem to be more people railing against generative AI than there are those sharing useful and interesting stories or critiques. It's one of the reasons I've been spending less time here, I used to be able to rely on HN for interesting perspectives on both cutting edge and historical tech related topics, often seeing insights from people sharing practical knowledge that was hard to find elsewhere. For the past year or two it's taken a hard turn towards a very spiteful and shallow gripe fest that feels like the same thing that happened to Reddit years ago when it took off in popularity. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me why people are coming here to complain about technology and it just adds a bunch of noise that you need to sift through if you are interested in the tech being discussed. Feels more like people fishing for upvotes by sharing their "hot take" which inevitably a cookie cutter opinion that you see all over social media without any original thought behind it.

Not so sure about those examples and pairing with the idea of quick and dirty work.

Your point is on the verge of nullification with the rapid improvement and adoption of autonomous drones don't you think?

I don't think motor skills are a good object to use in an argument about verbal vs non-verbal thinking. We have large regions of our brains primarily dedicated to motor skills and you can't argue that humans are any more talented or capable at controlling our bodies than other animals, we're actually rather poor performers in this area. You're right to say that you aren't conscious of the very highly trained movements you are making because they likely have only a tenuous connection with any part of your brain that we would recognize as possessing consciousness or thought, they are mostly learned reflexes and responses to internal and external stimuli at this point like a professional baseball player who can automatically catch a ball flying at him before he's even aware of it.

Yes! that too.