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MONTROSE has become less eclectic and fun. When Mary’s mural went away is approximately the down fall. Time marches on.

I remember when pypy was only 25x slower than c python.

Pypy

What is Canada’s transportation infrastructure like? USA is blessed with waterways for the middle/eastern side. Canada is massive. How can shipping not be wildly expensive?

Openresty distribution of nginx with lua scripting is game changer vs. Apache.

On your tip toes and falling down with a thud is also a qi gong exercise.

Moribund. Developer went full time with offline replication vendor. Interesting project. Devil in details.

Feels is the key to that statement. :-) It’s these “feels” that got USA to its 2024 election outcome.

> It's clear just from using the language that it was designed as a more "serious" Javascript replacement

What is your usage of Dart?

JavaScript is a target platform for Dart. The Dart interop story is the point. It’s a cohesive glue language. First class interop with JavaScript, Java/Kotlin, C++ and Swift/ObjC. Community interop supports go and rust.

Maybe I am confused. We are comparing Dart to what again? Yes, Flutter is what Dart is known for and it’s, imho, important for their to be primary customer to drive evolution of language.

I don’t do JavaScript development but anytime I bump into it it’s a cluster with regards to tooling (maybe this has changed in the past 3 years). Dart comes ootb with tooling that is a cohesive experience. The technology is impressive and I think it’s filling a niche.

Dart reminds me of Python 20 years ago. Python shipped with IDLE, glued platform (win32com), corba, java, etc features together.

Dart is doing similar stuff but first class interop from the supplier (Google/dart team) for the platforms (js/wasm, mobile, desktop). It is pretty damn amazing and ambitious (maybe too ambitious?). And pub/package system is nice - dart is statically compiled and Google is one of the main innovators in software supply chain security - I think there is real possibility of it being orders of magnitude more secure than python/javascript. (This is not the case currently)

I guess I see it as a “I can stay in this world and do most of what I need”. Are there sharp edges? Yes. But the tooling and the community can resolve this fairly quickly. I don’t need to jump between abuncha languages with tooling disparaties.

Yeah this isn’t drive-by contributions where you shit out a PR that works for you but makes the test infra fail and you get upset. Ppl need to think big picture.

One big problem, I think, it may not be visible all of the test infrastructure if your outside google. Don’t know. Gerritt is its own world and googlers live there not in GH (it appears).

Absolutely true. It’s so much easier to upgrade dependencies and if it works / most likely works. We had a small UI regression in a very large app and that hadn’t been touched in 1 year.