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Yes, the Epoch Times is an invalid “news” source.

== You are parroting talking points you see on social media without exploring the topics any further. Funny thing is I bet we follow a lot of the same left leaning people on twitter but the things they say have driven me to the right while you agree with them. I think most of the right wing social and traditional media personalities are idiots. My shift to the right has almost entirely been driven by the content of liberal twitter accounts and DEI classes I have had to take.==

I’m not on Twitter or any social media (besides HN). Must be nice to know everything about everyone without even having to bother with asking.

You gave me a whole profile of myself based on your mistaken beliefs. Then try to claim I am the one who judges people. Maybe time to take a break from social media.

== Right. I've been there in the business practices but I've never been a type-A black man trying to succeed against all odds in a racist nation. ==

This is exhausting. In your mind, one 75-year-old black man can speak for all of DEI, but actual Credit Union experts have no idea how to run Credit Unions. Meanwhile, the head of the CUs is a black man and also an expert in CUs. He succeeded against all odds in a racist nation, but you have completely de-valued his thoughts/experience because you dug in so deep.

== Right, and they also don't have anything to do with race quotas.==

Who mentioned quotas? This is the tactic you've shown over-and-over again in this discussion, continually throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. You move the conversation away from the actual topic to go down some rabbit hole.

I am moving on. Hope you have a nice week.

== Lookup "Keffals" and "Hoogland transgender".==

2 Canadian cases that have nothing to do with American laws.

== If you're using something as a lead-in to a forbidden topic for your class's age range, it would be forbidden.==

I don't think displaying a picture of your family is "a lead-in to a forbidden topic". Feels like quite a stretch. I remember everyone of my teachers growing up had picture on their desk or on the wall. My son's teacher has them today.

== the teachers have a job to do. ==

We should let them do the job for which they studied and were hired. They are the experts in teaching, we should let them teach. How do you feel when people who know nothing about your industry tell you how to do your job?

But they didn’t only give loans to business who were shut down. That’s the point.

You claimed businesses got loans because the government forced them to close. I am saying that plenty of business that didn’t close (and saw record demand) sought and received loans. Nobody made them take out PPP loans. Once you acknowledge that, it looks a lot like student loans.

Re-read your quote, those weren’t Justice Thomas’s words. They are the words of a New Yorker writer. It’s not his quote. Also, DEI is not only about black people. Affirmative Action is not the same as DEI.

== By that rule everything such as encouraging eating more vegetables should be in there.==

Credit Unions, the ones who wrote the principles, don’t have anything to do with eating vegetables. They believe DEI to be topical for their business. Have you run a Credit Union?

I like how you dismiss their opinion on their business practices, while embracing one person’s view of affirmative action as the definitive statement on DEI. It’s quite a stretch.

No examples from Florida, the state being discussed. The two "articles" you did provide are sourced from the same author at the same publication "The National Desk" (owned by Sinclair Broadcasting). One the sources they use is The Epoch Times, which is not a reputable publication. Interesting source material for a self-proclaimed "Democratic party voter".

==What I have no interest in is anyone presenting either as an acceptable option to my kids.==

The alternatives are (1) pretending it doesn't exist or (2) presenting is as an unacceptable option. Do you prefer to pretend it doesn't exist?

==I would never want my coworkers to have to take classes on anti semitism because it assumes they are potential anti semites. ==

I don't follow. Everyone is a potential anti-Semite. If you aren't then the class shouldn't bother you. It's the same as the "shame" exercise. If you have no shame about your actions, why would it bother you?

==You seem to want to police people's minds and demand that every one adhere to your world view or they are terrible people.==

By banning books and outlawing what teachers can teach?

==This is not Iran, we don't need a morality police.==

And yet, we have Ron DeSantis, your guy, saving us from things that weren't being taught to kids in the first place. I couldn't think of a better example of morality police.

==Essentially the people that cry racism the most are generally the racists feeling like they have to white knight for the poor oppressed minorities. The worst part is that they just cant see it, most openly racist people can at least acknowledge it. Black people can do just fine on their own they are not helpless children looking for a hero.==

You are the only one who has made a claim about anyone being "helpless", but it's good to know that is immediately where your mind went. For someone who totally isn't racist, you seem to know exactly how racist people think.

==I didn't have the feeling that it wanted me to "sit in my shame", it legitimately said it on a slide.==

Did you feel shame? If I was told that, and didn't feel shame, not sure I would have dwelled on it so much.

You do you. We make a very high income as well, and my politics have gone in the exact opposite direction as yours over 20 years. Over those 20 years, higher-educated and higher-earning Americans have become far more likely to vote Dem. You are actually swimming against the tide. I watched the affluent area I grew up in (DuPage County) move from bedrock Regan Republican to Democrat over my lifetime.

When Republicans failed to create a replacement for ACA after campaigning on it for ~8 years and 4 elections (2010, 2012, 2014, 2016); I realized they weren't actually interested in governing. DiSantis is the embodiment of that "bluster-over-policy" approach.

== In regards to the current upcoming state elections I am going to be selfish and focus only on what is best for my family for the next 4 years.==

I hope it works out for your family and also the many other families in Florida.

==covering employment costs due to lower demand, and to cover costs due to being shut down.==

Except that there wasn't lower demand across the whole economy, only very specific industries. Most businesses were not shut down. Lots of businesses continued running, and had increased demand. They still got forgivable loans.

Perhaps the perception it has more to do with who signed the legislation (a Republican President and Senate) than whether it was actually "socialist" (it was)?

I think DeSantis is the one engaging in social engineering, you just happen to agree with his policies. He is simply leaning into the culture wars which leads us to continued division without any actual solutions for the very real problems in our states/country.

I haven’t seen any evidence that being “anti-woke” improves K-9 test scores, lowers infant fatality rates, reduces mass shootings, improves quality of life, increases earnings, or any other actual benefit to citizens. It’s a distraction meant to prey on your emotions and hide the lack of actual policies.

== The government shut down businesses so it makes sense to compensate them.==

Not all loans went to businesses that were forced to shut down.

My kids are also Jewish, from my wife’s side. It is interesting to hear the comments of people when they have no idea.

Voting for split representation is a perfectly reasonable approach. I personally think DeSantis is pro-power, not pro-freedom. His stunt with asylum-seeking migrants is a great example. Also the fact that Florida doesn’t have things like legal weed, legal sports betting, legal abortion, and more.