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Comment · 8 years ago
^ This
Comment · 8 years ago
The irony is you are the extremist for thinking HN is full of extremists! :)

Also, library size !== mediocrity at all. No one builds an unreasonably large framework on purpose either.

Comment · 8 years ago
> So far, the Infinite monkey theorem is just giving us an infinite number of javascript frameworks, and no Shakespeare

Not even funny IMO. This is the kind of toxic comment that don't motivate progress in this community.

Comment · 8 years ago
Hyperapp is not optimized to be the fastest framework at the expense of worse developer experience. Having said that, we're definitely working on improving our runtime performance (see https://github.com/hyperapp/hyperapp/issues/499). So much to do!

I want to point out that while these benchmarks are very useful to detect underlying, potentially serious runtime and memory performance issues in your algorithm/framework, the implicit idea that even the slowest framework according to this list (e.g. choo) is a poor choice or inadequate for frontend development is ridiculous (the js-framework-bench creates > 80,000 nodes).

Please don't do that to your users, regardless of the framework you are using. Even the most complex user interface will have < 10,000 nodes. Tables/grids may get you there faster, however.

Still, in the case of Hyperapp we're talking about 100 to 200 milliseconds slower in the worst test (i.e., partial update) for a worst-case scenario.

Comment · 8 years ago
I meant the benchmark is using an older version of Hyperapp.

https://github.com/krausest/js-framework-benchmark/tree/mast...

The js-framework-benchmarks is very much maintained and actively developed. It's our go-to benchmark when fine-tuning for a new release.

In addition to that, the latest code on master (still unpublished) includes some notable improvements:

https://github.com/hyperapp/hyperapp/pull/663

Comment · 8 years ago
If all goes according to plan, it will look even more like Elm in the next major release (2.0).
Comment · 8 years ago
Elm is for anyone. I love Elm.

"for the rest of us" is a common English language idiom/phrase.

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/41687/meaning-of...

I know the idiom mostly from For Dummies' books. I'm implying that Elm, while great, is not as user-friendly, intuitive or easy to use as Hyperapp.

I'm saying that Hyperapp is deeply inspired by Elm, but also designed with extreme devotion to details, minimalism, and simplicity.

Comment · 8 years ago
Hyperapp and Web Components is a great combo, especially because they can help with the problem of maintaining local component state, not a feature of Hyperapp.

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