sp4ke
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If you are talking about income inequality, it cannot be fixed with money as it is just a tool. If our economic system is based on hoarding capital, then you end up hoarding it. If the best and safest way to hoard is Bitcoin, they you will use it.
However, you cannot go further than hoarding or using it. What the central banks do is much worse, they print it out of nothing and it ends up in the hands a few individuals, with impunity. So on scale of bad to worse, I would argue bitcoin is the lesser evil since at least it would allow for true free markets to exist.
Regarding Satoshi and the early adopters, why do you care ? When using fiat money, do you care about the fact the US dollar got an unfair advantage when it forced the Bretton Woods system on all of us ? As a matter of fact, the US dollar has been the strongest currency and international settlement one exactly because of that unfair advantage.
And if you do care, the problem is not within the money but the economic system. It's an other topic for a bigger problem ...
[1] Bitcoin is not there yet, still a lot of progress to be done on the fungibility side of it.
Over the course of history, people crated money out of many physical objects that had the "money" properties. Money is a tool to represent value of exchange. As long as we all agree on it's value.
In the fiat world, the value of money is artificially fixed by the central banks and backed by the military power of its governments. it has effectively an unlimited supply. Quantitative easing is one of the techniques used to quickly increase the supply as it fits the central banks. You, me and all fiat money users have no say in it.
Bitcoin, is a limited amount of money supply that will ever exist. It is backed by math and cryptography and an open source ecosystem. It was decided so by us the people and not central banks. We didn't ask for their permission the same way as they don't ask for ours when they decide to print more.
Many of us believers in Bitcoin do not agree with the way central banks handle the most important tool of our civilization (Money) and do not agree with the current mainstream economic theory. So we decided to exit that system and try our own.
> To me it seems there might be a chance that we're devaluing real currencies by quite a bit over the course of the next couple of years. Of course, the bigger chance is that this is a bubble and it will pop, but what if it isn't?
If fiat currencies get devalued, and they will if the Bitcoin experiment works, then it would just mean fiat money is a weaker money than bitcoin (see Gresham Law[1]). In that case, is it the fault of the inventors if they invented a better system ?
As of the "speculative" nature of bitcoin, yes it is. What drives speculation is greed. Bitcoin at the protocol level is just a communication system. If you couple greed and Metacalfe's Law[2], you obtain a very powerful incentive for the system to grow.
I think of this incentive as a the trojan horse to the current financial system. People will come through greed and stay once they discover and learn about this new system, since it's not likely the central banks will "objectively" assess the value of Bitcoin.
The biggest part of humanity does not benefit from our current central bank system, so it has to get disrupted and replaced with a better one.
Either this, or we're stuck with the current unhuman, exploiting system. As an optimist, I'm betting on the former.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham's_law [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalfe%27s_law
What happens if they disappear ? The amount of public effort made should stay public with no dependency on a private entity
Yeah ? like the tons of photos they harvest from people. Most of the progress they did in training computer vision is based on that. Should I build facebook or google to get access to it ?
What about language modeling ? They have access to conversational data and billions of search queries, both of which there is no way to access them from outside.
What about health ? Well if I'm not somehow working with some big pharma how could I access this kind of data ?
I can go on and on. The point is, yes I can crawl the web, but what "web" is there left ? everything is locked behind paywalls and private clouds. If the real vision of an open internet was fulfilled, all data generated on it would be accessible to crawl indeed.
I'm not saying it's not possible to get data and use it. I'm saying you cannot get the kind of data only monopolies have and you will never be able to compete with them.
edit: more sick, the said young researchers are financed by society than get sucked to private corps where their work is locked behind IPs.
Even in the case there is a small company having any progress they would get swallowed up right away.
Yes Keras and Sickit-learn are open source and available to everyone but it's like telling me, look you have access to pen and paper but you need to pay if you want to read the books, the metaphor here being access to data is equivalent to middle age's access to books...
In other words, "the rest of us" of Patrick's folks do not represent the people for whom crypto is a necessity and not a luxury. So if money is already working for you, keep using it and ignore this fad
2- It has already been on a very long bear market (2013-2015) where everyone said pretty much the same thing (fad, tulip, the experiment failed .... ). So yeah the new holders will go through rough times but your argument that it reached the peak of the hype cycle has no logical facts to support it since you could have said the same in the peak of 2013.
If anyone knew when the peak is(was or will) would not be here commenting on HN or talking about it but rather selling this knowledge ... and this holds true for any investment.
Hmm, I wonder if the zero interest rate "trickle down" free money that is keeping stocks artificially inflated has anything to do with this assumption ?
>>> With ICOs, the claim is that many people mean to cash out by selling before the bubble bursts.
Yeah totally not the same as founders rushing to growth with bullshit things like "growth hacking", then rushing to exit to cashout before everyone realizing their business is not actually solving a real problem. ( like all the messenger apps/chat bot frenzy of last year)