solenoid0937

Nope.

If you're asking about my biases: I am significantly invested in AI (all US labs including Anthropic/OpenAI, and the hardware supply chain) because I believe it will be the most transformative tech in human history. I am also American, and so I'd prefer not to have a nation that blends thousands of human rights activists getting to superintelligence first.

My investments in the frontier have grown so I do not claim to be unbiased.

Another bias - I think HN's user base is on average consistently shortsighted when it comes to this technology:

1/ The HN zeitgeist has been consistently wrong about AI since LLMs were introduced. Old HN threads are hilarious time capsules demonstrating how headstrong+dumb the median HN opinion is. These same people post today as if they never said anything dumb a year ago, in the same overconfident and cynical tone.

2/ The median technologist's takes here are actively destructive to the likelihood of us surviving superintelligence. As technologists we all have a responsibility to ensure this goes well - our companies and societies look to our opinions. If people here introspected a bit more and reflected on the previous times they were wrong, and saw this tech for what it really is, we would all have a better chance of surviving superintelligence.

Feel free to hand your business's data over to DeepSeek, that's not my problem.

If you're looking for the engineering blog post, you can Google it. Welcome to the internet!

No, distillation isn't a crime so Anthropic can't sue for it.

Credit card fraud and the illegal data routing is a crime, but that's something the affected customers would need to sue for.

This is a very Redditor comment, you're equivocating "don't use bad API" with a defense of OpenAI/Anthropic.

There is a difference between "white-knighting" and pointing out that maybe businesses shouldn't use an API that has been proven to illegally route data elsewhere, resulting in literal state secrets being leaked.

There is nothing wrong with using DeepSeek's models locally or on your own cloud, and using another search provider! But using DeepSeek's own APIs is pure idiocy unless you really don't care about your data security/privacy (and that of your users).

Of course credit card companies mind? It's not a problem they can magically solve just because they mind, though. Credit card fraud on massive scale has existed for years and is not going away anytime soon.

> And still continue to give them merchant accounts to continue with that?

The AI companies don't steal the credit cards. They instead fund unaffiliated grey-market transfer stations that steal credit cards. They feign compliance by simply funding another transfer station.

What level of evidence would convince you? Raw packet dumps?

DeepSeek could sue for defamation if they are lying. There's a reason they aren't.

Nothing short of unredacted network logs and packet dumps would convince people like you (and even then you could just say they are forged). In the eyes of HN the Chinese model providers can do no wrong.

Anyways, they can easily be sued by DeepSeek if they are lying.

> critical thinking is enough to know that Anthropic/OpenAI are responsible data sovereign and others are not

Critical thinking is not relying on a confirmed bad actor because you think the others maybe could be bad actors.

Yes, routing your customers through relays is probably illegal and certainly violates any expectation a business using your API might have.

I don't think that X post from someone that sells relays is meaningful. Obviously Anthropic is aware of what relays are, they aren't dumb enough to conflate relays with DeepSeek.

What an absurd question. We have actual evidence of DeepSeek using stolen credit cards and routing conversations to third parties. What evidence do we have of OpenAI or Anthropic doing something similar?

"Anthropic/OpenAI bad!" cynicism is not a replacement for critical thinking (as it increasingly seems to be on HN).