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I just mean it's physically possible, it's not like we as humans are physically unable to and require a drug to do it for us. But most people aren't willing to grind through the beginning phase that is physically and emotionally difficult to get to the part where training becomes beautiful. I've had moments on psychedelics where I've just cried from gratitude that I found my practices and disciplined myself to root out the deep fears and insecurities that held me back. I didn't want to live with them anymore and wanted to see what this body is capable of in this lifetime. It's ridiculous what out bodies are capable of. It's like getting handed a lambo and instead we keep it parked in our garage all the time. But those first 6 months were extremely difficult, literally bloody from injuries, and required a commitment that every week I'd go train 5 times, no excuses.

I think pretty much anyone can find 5-6 hours in a week to go train something, it's really not much time at all.

Yeah, it's wild how much you need to pay attention to diet to get those abs to show. I don't work out for aesthetics, but I train pretty hard for my age (40 -- muay thai a 2-3x per week, kettlebells a couple days, ashtanga yoga a day or two, and I'll throw in 5 mile runs here and there in a week).

I'm always around 12-13% body fat, but to get them to show, absolutely, it's all diet. I'm vegetarian, so that probably works against me, but I've never had that 8% body fat ripped look even with all the activity I do in a week.

Well, it's possible for the majority of people, it's just that the majority of people can't keep up with the things that make it possible. It's a ton of work (and money!) to keep up with a good diet, walk thousands of steps per day, and exercise 4-5x per week. Between needing to drive to do everything and making food as addictive as possible, we've designed everything about contemporary life to work against being healthy.

Agreed! I'm not against people taking them if it helps.

Oh absolutely, which is why I said I hope people can take these and add some sort of resistance training as they lose the weight.

And also totally agree that we need to invest in PT and educating PTs on how to work with people in larger bodies. As a formerly unhealthy person who only found exercise in their 30s, it's ridiculous to me that my high school gym requirements didn't teach me how to safely lift weights or use a gym. They would just let us use a barbell without any proper training, and the first time I tried to bench press with some friends (because we probably saw someone in a movie doing it) I injured myself. Every high school student should be learning how to use a gym, get through a yoga class, learn some calisthenics, etc. Set them up for their life so it's not so intimidating as an adult. Instead, at least for me in the 90s, it was a lot of playing basketball and baseball, nothing to keep me healthy on my own in my life.