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Russia has been saying "if Finland joins NATO, there will be consequences" since forever. When Finland actually joins Russia says "yeah no problem it's not really a threat". This is to not lose face, _obviously_, but all these parrots all of a sudden go "oh yeah no problem, you don't have to be a military analyst to see it's not a threat". They're just parrots.

Comment · 4 years ago

This is the definition I'm using

> 1 : a loser or predicted loser in a struggle or contest

I think it fits. Russia loses a lot.

Comment · 4 years ago

> Russia was on reasonably good terms with Europe for at least 2 decades.

Russia has been at war with Europe in Ukraine for 8 years you moron.

Comment · 4 years ago

> Georgia got hit for the same reason Ukraine did - because it tried to join our gang.

Man, Russia is really losing this game then. Because countries keep joining Nato. Findland and Sweden now. Sweden has had a policy of neutrality for 200 years LOL.

Fucking losers. If there's one immutable truth in Russian history, is that its wherewithal has never ever been able to match its ambition.

Comment · 4 years ago

> Logically if you want an existential threat to Russia to expand up against Russian borders you must want war, no?

No you see, this isn't "NATO expanding up to"...

Countries are sovereign to choose their allies. And countries in eastern europe are asking to join a defense alliance against Russia.

Serious question, have you considered that number 1 no one is forcing eastern europe countries to join this alliance, and number 2 WHY do they want to join it? If you haven't, I'll tell you the answer: What is happening in Ukraine and what happened in Georgia and Chechnia is EXACTLY the reason why these countries want join NATO.

NATO isn't expanding up to Russia's borders. Russia is scaring every country it borders, so they're doing something about it.

Oh look, Finland and Sweden are joining NATO https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_197737.htm

Because OF COURSE they do, because otherwise they might be next to be invaded.

Comment · 4 years ago

They have to, because in reality they have less to appeal people with. The ONLY thing that Russia has going to its propaganda is that they're the underdog. Everything else is a lie.

Comment · 4 years ago

> With the horrendous things we did to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya... it's no wonder Russians want pushback on NATO encroachment on bordering states.

With the horrendous things that Russia has done throughout it's history in eastern europe, it's no wonder that it's neighbors are worried.

That's another funny thing. The only people saying "with the horrendous things the US does..." are either Americans or Russians. People who live in eastern europe are ABSOLUTELY worried about Russia invading them. Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Ukrania of course, Georgia, Chechnia, Moldova, Romania, Slovakia. People there don't play this "both sides" bullshit game.

I'm very happy if Russia believes that NATO is an existential threat. We're not pushing them hard enough, that's the problem.