scottedwards

care to share anything here? I think many would be interested. Maybe just a link to something?

I feel your pain. I was lucky enough to be around to enjoy the days when the ONLY place online where people were discussing serious topics (and non-serious ones!) was USENET (and maybe The Well). Google Groups just started to throw a web interface on USENET.

Sadly, once big money entered the Web in the late 90's, every Portal popping up felt like they had to include discussions/message boards into their features.

Yahoo Groups was big in the day and is now essentially dead. Same with Facebook, etc.

Now everything is very fragmented. There are some really great discussions happening out there (metafilter.net is a good example) but they are hard to find.

Reddit might be the closest thing to a groups/USENET replacement that we have.

I'd love to hear about anything else out there that may save civil discourse, but I have my doubts it exists (or will). (although web3 may save us yet - nostr is pretty interesting)

After all, what does it mean when 90% of people spend their time on Instagram and Tiktok?

yeah agree, plus not sure I believe that poverty reduces ambition

Are you saying that people on disability get a housing allowance in addition to the $908 a month and food stamps? That's news to me.

Thanks, this was exactly the kind of finding i was asking for. So, at least at this stage of life, sounds like majority of your cohort is still employed. I wonder if that will hold up ten years from now.

I guess what I'm really worried about is that many are somehow "forced" into retirement or low paying jobs (ala Walmart greeter). This would seem really unfair, given that on the surface, this kind of age discrimination shouldn't happen. At least the military is up front about how this works with it's "Up or Out" policy.

Thanks for the insights, but what I'm really curious about is what happened to the older devs that DIDN'T go into management? Given that you say "whats left" doesn't include anyone over 45, where did those guys go? Given that there is not enough management jobs for all those guys to go into, what did they DO?

Would he be "over it" if he hadn't saved for retirement? Why did they let him go? Was he not contributing at the same level as before?

These are well-established companies founded decades ago. if they were startups, I'd understand...

not sure I follow...

Thanks for this story - always great to hear about a real experience. This is very disturbing. What the heck does "fresh face" mean? Did he have any idea what they meant, or were they just looking to cut costs and hire a more junior guy?

I assume I'll still be working, but when I look around and see how few people at these large, established companies are in their 50s/60s, I get a little nervous to be honest...

Good point, but I'm seeing this phenomena in ALL jobs at these companies - and both have been around for over 30 years. There just aren't alot of older people around - where did they GO?

These aren't SF startups (see above). I see plenty of 30's and quite a few 40's, but where are all the 50's and 60's? These days I don't think many are passing away at that age, right?

Interesting - maybe it varies by industry. What industry are you in? These two companies are in telecom and software. I don't think many people in the US are retiring at 50 though - maybe in Europe ;-)

Thanks for your comments guys, but if this is true, why don't I see more workers in their 40s, 50s, and 60s around? (and I'm not specifically speaking of devs, although the effect seems more drastic there).

And I don't work at a startup - this is the 2nd large company (>20k employees) I've worked at, and in both cases, I would say that the percentage of workers over 50 is less than 10% - and most are managers or senior folks.

My question is simple - where the heck did all these people go? I don't think the mortality rate is that high ;-) and I doubt many people can afford to retire that early.