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If Chauvin is not convicted of murder then BLM will most certainly still campaign for him.

Therefore “killed” is more accurate.

People are called “racist” for things many would disagree has anything to do with race.

I’m pretty sure if you insisted on not renaming master branch to main, people would call you a racist.

> murdered by police

*killed by police

> then disperse them

This is more difficult than you expect. Police are drastically outnumbered in any crowd control situation. You can watch videos from Minneapolis riots where police just watch windows being smashed and shops being looted because they don’t have enough people.

It takes more than once officer to arrest someone too so things like Kettling need to be done for safety of everyone.

The rules are simple: if you get dispersion order it’s time to go. It’s not like they are not given a choice. I think a lot of people showing up to protests are just a bit unaware of the law. The number of times you see someone complaining about being asked to move on and they shout back that they are “on the sidewalk - can’t I just walk in my own city blah blah”. It’s just a misunderstanding of the law or a willingness to violate democratic law.

I wish all this moderation would be flipped around. Just allow people to filter the content they see. We should have a system similar to movie content ratings to make it easier instead of manually muting keywords like on Twitter. Then there is no controversy and everyone can get along.

If the assembly is deemed unlawful because of threat of violence then they ask people to leave and if people refuse to disperse they can arrest them.

What would you change about this process?

- someone in a crowd smashing windows (police can't identify who)

- encircle the crowd and ask who is press

- person who was smashing windows (unbeknownst to the police) claims they are press

- person is escorted out

- person goes smashing windows somewhere else

The vast majority of people never have negative interactions with police and actually are thankful for them keeping their communities safe. The ones that do have problems are those that resist arrest and detainment in a society where everyone is armed.

Hence, I wouldn’t know the taste.

I acknowledge the historical precedent but it’s been a long time since such things and I prefer to look at the facts of the situation at hand (as would be done in a court of law) rather than implying conspiratorial motives from history.

Only comment on the entire thread that makes sense.

It’s amazing that every comment seems to imply sinister motives to every action by every police officer, when the more obvious answer is that most police actually do their jobs well and there are circumstances they must deal with that commenters here are not privy to or want to perpetuate a narrative.

The same commenters of they met police or had friends who were police would think very differently. Police are dehumanized to the extent that people want to go out and attack them in the streets

I don’t think any officer goes out wanting to attack people and start fights. Look at videos of police. They stand in a line and have projectiles thrown at them and verbal abuse yelled at them. 90% of the time they have to stand there and do nothing. And if it gets too much they clear the protests.

The vast majority of society do not want to go yell at police in the street.

The biggest problem is takeovers of protests by anarchists and I don’t know the solution to this. If anarchists consistently escalate protests then it takes away people’s rights to protest. But I see this as a problem to be solved by protestors.

> Do cops think there are thugs cloaking themselves in fake press gear ?

Yes. Everyone has phones now. Everyone can claim they are press or they have a YouTube channel. These people don’t wear press gear.

A lot of the time the police are not suspecting press and they get more access so people claiming they are press are more of a threat, which is why they must verify.

Say you are trying to light a fire in a police station or break a barricade. Should police allow you to loiter and go wherever you want rather than stay with the crowd?

If you think it through you will realize that unless identification is done it creates immense risk.

Journalists will always complain on an individual level, but police are working on reducing threat level and maintaining order of a wider context.

They do.

> Law enforcement quickly identified media and escorted them to a line where they were asked for credentials and identification. Law enforcement took pictures of journalists' credentials and IDs as well as photos of the journalists’ faces.

What’s your solution to people claiming they are press to escape detention after unlawful assembly?

Someone could be smashing windows one moment and then claiming they are press the next.

You ignore the facts of this specific case. Anecdata indeed.

> Department of Public Safety Commissioner John Harrington says throughout the night, and particularly from 8 p.m. onward, officers came under threat from a variety of new individuals who began to approach and contest the area around the police department with items like baseball bats, plywood, shields and "liquid products."

> There were reports of some protesters shaking the perimeter fencing, while lobbing objects over the fence at officers on the other side.

> Harrington outlined how attempts to breach the outermost ring of fencing by more belligerent protesters was handled with some amount of restraint, with officers repairing the breach and backing off rather than immediately proceeding to clear the area around the station.