richie-guix

A 50KW battery is <$10,000.

Sounds like he is allowed to sell excess back to the grid and payback period would be <20 years. They are warranted for longer. If financing is available it is basically free. ;)

Big if that but more realistically the real kicker here is that all of that is about x3 larger than what most households need.

I get that not everybody has $10k laying around to plop down on panels/batteries all in one go but if you do you can get off the grid now.

You are clearly discussing this in good faith, thank you.

> In other words, most people making environmental arguments against animal agriculture are not trying to trick you.

Sadly ven diagram of animal rights advocates, clueless do gooders and environmentalists overlaps greatly.

Bad faith arguments emerge not only by extremists but also by people eager to be part of the movement with no capacity for independent thought. These things take root and become "common knowledge" within the communities.

They don't need to be actively trying to trick me to muddy the waters with their own, however well intentioned, confusion.

We are still dealing with metaphysical arguments - note you didn't provide any numbers or scale or externalities or consideration towards second order effects or unintended consequences.

I can give a contrived example in the other direction (as its easier to recognize the obvious flaws):

Cars bad. Bicycles good. Clearly. Bike lane therefore must be good. Now you get a dozen guys in spandex burning extra calories and compensating by consuming far more burgers than they otherwise would have. And far worse traffic idling their engines at less efficent stop-and-go low speeds for longer.

What was actually accomplished in terms of CO2? We should ban all bicycles instead.

There is no cure for stupid.

I could spoon feed more details about this incident but if they are already going out of their way to avoid reality there is nothing to do but avoid them.

Indeed. He knew going up that it will most likely happen and literally demanded an open casket "so everyone will see what they did to me".

If you ever come across a bright teenager getting lulled into communism keep this in mind as a very edifying example of the pitfalls of that system. The recordings are chilling.

The ones who watch that recording and sort of pause and after a minute double down that the ends justify the means are a lost cause.

Look up Vladimir Komarov recordings sometimes. Lets hope it doesn't get to that point.