rastrian
Joined 6 years ago
Joined 6 years ago
But your take about modern Java is correctly, and they adopt this style under internal projects for some workflows.
- Domain/state machines (payments/fulfillment-style workflows): modeling states + transitions so “impossible” states literally can’t be represented. - Parsers/DSLs & config tooling: log parsers, small interpreters, schema validation, migration planners. - Internal CLIs / automation: batch jobs, release helpers, data shapers, anything you want to be correct and easy to refactor later. - Small backend services when the domain is gnarly (Servant / Yesod style) rather than huge monoliths.
If you’re learning it beyond CS exposure, I’d start with a CLI + a parser (JSON/CSV/logs), then add property-based tests (QuickCheck). That combo teaches types, purity, effects, and testing in one project without needing to “go full web stack” on day 1.
Model states as tagged unions (Union + Literal + dataclass(frozen=True)), use match (Py3.10+) and add assert_never so type checkers complain when you forget a case.
Run Pyright (strict) or mypy –strict in CI so “illegal states” show up as build failures, not incidents.
Validate/parsing at boundaries (HTTP/queues) with Pydantic discriminated unions (tagged unions at runtime), then keep internals typed.
For expected failures, prefer an explicit Result (e.g., returns) over exceptions-as-control-flow.
Use Ruff for lint/consistency (it’s not a type checker, but pairs well with one).
References here:
Pyright: https://microsoft.github.io/pyright/ mypy --strict: https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/getting_started.html PEP 634 (match): https://peps.python.org/pep-0634/ assert_never & exhaustiveness guide: https://typing.python.org/en/latest/guides/unreachable.html typing_extensions (backports): https://typing-extensions.readthedocs.io/ Pydantic discriminated unions: https://docs.pydantic.dev/latest/concepts/unions/ returns Result: https://returns.readthedocs.io/en/latest/pages/result.html Ruff FAQ: https://docs.astral.sh/ruff/faq/
Two places where I still see tagged/discriminated unions win in practice:
1. Scaling beyond nullability. Once the union has multiple variants with overlapping structure, “untagged” narrowing becomes either ambiguous or ends up reintroducing an implicit tag anyway (some sentinel field / predicate ladder). An explicit tag gives stable, intention-revealing narrowing + exhaustiveness.
2. Boundary reality. In languages like TypeScript (even with strictNullChecks), unions are routinely weakened by any, assertions, JSON boundaries, or library types. Tagged unions make the “which case is this?” explicit at the value level, so the invariant survives serialization/deserialization and cross-module boundaries more reliably.
So I’d summarize it as: T | null is a great ergonomic tool for one axis (presence/absence) when the type system is enforced end-to-end. For domain states, I still prefer explicit tags because they keep exhaustiveness and intent robust as the system grows.
If you’re thinking Scala 3 / a sound type system end-to-end, your point is stronger; my caution is mostly from TS-in-the-wild + messy boundaries.
The reason money-related systems often get singled out is the combination of irreversibility and auditability: a bad state transition can mean incorrect balances/settlement, messy reconciliation, regulatory reporting, and long-tail customer harm that persists after the outage is over.
That said, my point isn’t “finance is special therefore FP.” It’s “build resilience and correctness by design early”, explicit state machines/invariants, idempotency/reconciliation, and making invalid states hard to represent. Doing this from the beginning also improves the developer experience: safer refactors, clearer reviews, fewer ‘tribal knowledge’ bugs.