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He was a gift to the world.

Is it not possible the spotify playlist is better than the DJ set? I agree DJ's are experts! In fact thats my point! They are just as much experts as musicians playing instruments just different kinds of experts. That being said just because work was done to it does not make it good.

Anyway this is getting a little too involved for a HN thread and it's unlikely I'll move your position but I appreciate the dialog.

Sorry you don't follow, tried my best to explain!

Thats great you care about the craft. There are many kinds of craft, but just because you do your craft in a certain way doesn't make others way invalid. The latter is not obviously better, better depends on your definition of value. The definition i'm reading from the article is whether it provides value to world or to you personally and I'm just saying who cares how that is accomplished. Defining how a craft "should be done" is the trap i'm pointing out. If the making is the important part to you aka the process and the journey, thats awesome and I agree that many wonderful things are created in the way you practice guitar with your hand eye coordination, auditory processing, etc... however I find it counterproductive to label ways of creating more or less valuable, they are just different. If I was to program a machine to play the guitar for me it might be different but not inherently better or worse just because you practice every day with your hands and I program a robot to do it. Maybe I have cerebral palsy and I can't play guitar the way you do, does that make my art lesser? It just makes my constraints different and thats at the core of what i'm getting at.

I think the distinction is meaningless to the vast majority of the population. People who use a web service don't care if it was vibe coded or hand coded as long as it does the job.

I think comes from a natural feeling of ownership over your profession. There's nothing wrong with that feeling that the title of engineer must be earned but in reality titles means nothing, what you do with it is whats important.

The article states:

"You have traded working with the world to working for a capricious robot."

This is what i'm a critic of not having more fun. This reads to me that some people are charlatans and i'm an expert. That type of sentiment is prevalent in all sorts of creative persuits. Aside from it being factually wrong, it's just different not worse or better.

My point is the line between tool and automation is a pointless line to draw that is about effort not output. This same logic was used to critique photography as an art form.

Do DJ's make music? Why don't they play all the instruments themselves and become "experts"?

Judge the product, not how difficult or easy it was to create it.

Expertise has no inherint value. What you do with that expertise does. I can be an expert in playing monopoly, does that make it valuable? no. I can be an expert in virology but instead I watch tv and drink beer all day. It's a coorelation causation trap.

Do you consider a camera an automation and not a tool? This type of romanticing of effort is a tired old debate that has not aged well...

Reminds me of Baudelaire:

"the photographic industry was the refuge of every would-be painter, every painter too ill-endowed or too lazy to complete his studies"

Oh sure I agree the tool is the extension of the user. I would never blame the dog ;)

Calling it rouge implies it has a will, which of course it does not. Loose coupling to an outcome is not evidence of sentience. Its just exhausting marketing

The UK's hostility to privacy is legendary.

Used to live there now I don't even want to visit.