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Okay, but then I don’t understand your comment in the context of ”Every new car sold in the European Union must include ..” - the European Union has very clearly been introducing successful regulations since our fatalities and injuries keep going down all the time.

I have a car with a full suite of safety systems, the automatic braking for example have helped me avoid 2 serious accidents where other drivers blew straight through yield signs right in front of me.

And in my Toyota, I have never ever been negatively affected by any safety system, I also of course test drove it to make sure that they haven’t implemented the regulations in the worst way possible.. which I would suggest that everyone does with their next car. Shitty implementations of the regulations definitely do exist, but manufacturers would make sh*t cars whether these existed or not..

And I have been rear ended by a tiktok-watcher, so I have very good reason to believe (at least hope) that this will be yet another success. At least it’s extremely hard for it to get worse than the state on the road today, where every other driver is staring at their phone..

It’s an important piece of a test drive before you buy a car for sure

FWIW Toyota implements these features perfectly. The speed warning is just a little color icon on the dashboard, the lane assist works well and doesn’t ever do anything unexpected. The auto-brake systems work incredibly well and have helped me several times when people blow through yield signs, yet never had a false positive.

If regulations don’t force the company to build a compliant vehicle that doesn’t suck, then we need to leave all the cars with poorly implemented systems unsold

We can also do nothing, continue to have hundreds of thousands killed every year and millions receive life changing injuries. I think that’s a terrible idea, though, since we have been able to (in the EU at least) cut road deaths massively over the last 25 years. So I think continuing a successful strategy is what we should do.

Traffic fatalities and accidents have been going down, constantly. There is no increase in fatalities from adoption of these systems, at least not in the EU.

EU statistics show a continuous downward trend over the last 25+ years with pretty much the only thing sticking out being the Covid lockdowns. And all thanks to safety regulations!

The fact is hundreds of thousands of people are alive today thanks to traffic safety improvements, and probably millions have been spared from a life of suffering with major injuries.

I don’t disagree with you there, and I do wish that legislators were also interested in that. How well the safety systems actually work in the real world should also be enforced by the law, not just their existence. With all the horror stories in this thread, it seems clear that manufacturers feel like they are able to get away with building the worst possible implementation of the system and then pointing the finger at the EU..

You mean the status quo?

> Each year road crashes generate about 120,000 fatalities and 2.4 million injuries in the European region of the World Health Organization. Road traffic injuries are the leading cause of death among adolescents and young adults.

Whatever it is we are doing today, it is not working.

I might be naive but I believe that >0 tiktok addicts who can’t put their phone down even while driving, might be persuaded to quit when even their car beeps condescendingly at them

They aren’t for some weird reason being pressured to make systems that work. Even in this thread I see wild shit like people telling how the system completely doesn’t work for them, but no indication that they are pushing the manufacturer to fix it?? How can we have the kind of attitude that we let the manufacturers just get away with it if it’s a safety system? If the radio didn’t work, we’d be at the dealership bothering the service staff every day - but important safety tech? Blame the EU…?

I don’t think that this is true at all. These regulations are driven to reduce deaths and severe injuries that we have absolute and definitive statistics on - and do target the things we also know are the biggest drivers of accidents and outcomes such as high speed and lack of attention from drivers.

I can see there being lots of valid complaints about implementation, but acting as if traffic injuries is not a major problem to be addressed and is just in the interest of busybodies is a completely unreasonable take.

There we maybe need some regulation that the system should be working, and the manufacturers of the cars should be forced to recall and fix the system if it doesn’t work!

The solution to bad implementation can’t be to just throw our hands in the air and say that Kia produces bad cars so therefore we cannot introduce safety regulation

If it makes someone put their phone down, or pull over when they are too tired to drive, perhaps the bigger question is if it prevents you all ending up in an accident - a lot worse of a situation than the beeping, in my opinion

A camera pointed at people’s face is going to have some insanely positive effects targeting one of the absolute biggest problems on the road though.

On my daily commute about 50% of drivers are on their phones at 90 km/h, would be great if their cars were beeping at them since no one else is going to do anything about it.

I find this especially great since one of them rear ended me earlier this year and practically admitted he was fiddling with his phone at the time

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