pj_mukh
Joined 13 years ago
Joined 13 years ago
I’m happy to hear of design ideas to reduce slop on the internet that doesn’t involve a direct attack on the underlying technology.
The fact that AI is quietly automating TPS reports in the background and slowly uplifting productivity metrics making things cheaper for us all is not immediately obvious.
And therefore…gentle reminder.
Endless headlines like, "aArON SORkIn SAYs hE WiLL Never UsE ai to WRite" doesn't change that base fact. No one asked him to, other than clickbait journalists.
If you find this hard to believe, just think about relative market sizes.
Agreed, which is why I explicitly said: "I don't deny that the transition process is traumatic, and there is much we should be doing this time around to assuage the process."
I want to find a way to lead with this sentiment, and I think the focus should be on this. It's hard on people to work through these transitions and lashing out at every new technology only helps temporarily.
>> or have we run out of new jobs to create?
FWIW, I think this is an insane idea and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of humans. We're status seeking creatures. As an AI developer, I'm hoping AI can help us meet everyones needs up the first couple of layers of Maslow's hierarchy. But no way are we solving the former status problems. That will remain and will be creating jobs out the wazoo.
This is patently false on multiple levels. One, on a simple level automating paperwork frees up labor for more useful things they can do immediately. Two, the footprint of what AI can do is rapidly growing. Till 2 months ago, no one thought LLM's could command robots, and now voila [1]. Of course these capabilities will plateau somewhere, but it's clear the productivity curve hasn't even been explored yet.
At least in my city, housing is severely restricted by the cost and availability of labor. I want labor to be paid well, but I always want housing to be cheaper, the missing link is productivity.
[1]: https://x.com/ihorbeaver/status/2104646736652447854?s=20
There are some great reads on this topic[1].
[1]: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300205251/libertys-dawn/
This is vague marketing speak and simply not the reality on the ground. As someone implementing all new workflows, most of the time I’m create new product classes wholesale. sometimes I see people upskilling tasks so the same human can do more.
I can’t think of a single knowledge job where they are removing humans from the loop completely.
Random news headlines of struggling companies doing “AI layoffs” don’t count. No amount of AI can save bad leadership.
This ball is going through even your ever-moving goal posts. My statement never claimed people's careers would stay the same and they'd just make more money.
But, the story doesn't end there does it? Most loom workers left their jobs and became factory workers (part of the same technology revolution) and critically: made MORE money. They were wealthier. And the loom machine operators left had a better job. There are very good sources for this, not just vibes [1].
I don't deny that the transition process is traumatic, and there is much we should be doing this time around to assuage the process. But all the evidence points to a general rise in pay, material conditions and standard of living.
[1]: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300205251/libertys-dawn/
A grub hub delivery man is wealthier today than a farmer 100 years ago and that's purely because of two reasons: Technology and Unions :)
No technology involved? Other than I guess tangentially, containerized shipping. I don't see how that analogy applies here at all, every AI workflow I've seen has been either:
a) Totally new thing that was never done before that is possible now and is therefore creating a new class of work
b) Worst case scenario: a whole spate of jobs being consolidated under one person, but its still a human in the end.
So everything I'm seeing is pointing to this being a lamplighter/utility worker situation.
I think this is a caricature of the argument. Even my original comment said progress is happening, but not just because some arbitrary change was happening.
Productivity improvements are measurable and they have an outsized impact on the standard of living. Progress is happening.
Why at lower wages? Most automation has led to people transitioning to higher wages. Utility works get paid 10x more than lamplighters. Why would that change here? Your job will have a bigger impact, affect more people, and you'll be doing more with less.
I am not saying all employers will immediately start paying people more, but economically it doesn't make sense that pay will go down.