onepunchedman

Great to see that they're not afraid to stand up to the rising authoritarianism

You're not at all touching on my argument. Read my reply to maxk42.

You're not at all touching on my argument. Read my reply to maxk42.

You are missing my argument completely. What I'm saying is that yes, Tolkien may have envisioned Middle Earth as proto-European fantasy, but when you're arguing for "historical accuracy", you can't pick and choose. You're arguing about skin color as if a) no people of color lived in Europe at the time, and b) you're completely avoiding touching on the origin of Tolkien's evil races and nations, and in particular orcs. If hobbits, men, and elves need to be white, then orcs necessarily need to be black and brown people, no? They need to be uncivilised brutes who only want to destroy with no mind of their own? That is a simplified depiction of Tolkien's works, but do you think that those prejudices hold, or that they should be depicted in modern media? If yes, then you are a bigot and a racist, and if no, it's WEIRD how the inclusion of people of color is where you're putting your foot down.

PS: read "you" as in the collective you, not you specifically.

When you say European, except for the fact that Tolkien wrote the story, what part of the show thus far has given you an explicit European feel? Did the Harfoots resemble British subjects, or do the race of men have to be from the European continent because of their skin color? Which city did Lindon look like? If we're already in a fantasy setting, why is there such a focus on relating the setting of the fantasy to our own European history, rather than telling a good fantasy story. Can you not relate to the story if it isn't explicitly describing a historically accurate proto-Europe?

If the argument is that Middle Earth should reflect a proto-European history, should we just accept that everyone from the east are pictured as orcs; mindless, ugly, uncivilized brutes? Is everyone from Africa part of the Haradrim or the Easterlings? The comparison to a proto-Europe only works as long as you wilfully neglect the horribly racist parts of the comparison. Or are you okay with those parts too? If the addition of a black Harfoot, black elves, or Durin's wife being black is your critique of the show, then you should reflect on why you feel that way and why you're able to so easily excuse the clear racism in favor of defending "authenticity".

It's legit WILD to read some of the remarks about the show on reddit and IMDb. It's horribly racist rhetoric disguised as a defence of authenticity and staying true to Tolkien's work. If portraying the racist parts of Tolkien's work is * that * important, maybe we shouldn't make media based upon it?

Do you have any material on this private function?

What does Apple even do in this situation? That media won't match known CSAM, but if you modify childhood images so that its hash matches CSAM, what does Apple do. There are just SO MANY things that can and will go wrong as people try to exploit this system.

Jup. As others have pointed out, if Apple were willing to lie about the extent of this system and its inception date, why should we suddenly trust that they won't extend its functionality. They themselves explicitly state that the program will be extended, so if this is the starting point I don't think I will be around for the ride.

It's a shame as I really love some of their privacy-minded features (e.g. precision of access to the phone's sensors and/or media).

So that you are able to bypass the manual reviews. It still looks like CSAM, but it isn't.

Well that depends on the situation. Regardless the sender would be charged if found, but if they were able to get legitimate CSAM on the receiver's phone the receiver could possibly be charged too, or at least investigated. Just the idea of getting investigated in these kinds of attacks, much less being exposed publicly as being under investigation is a horrible thought.

Yeh I was talking in hyperbole, but the possible attack vectors this system enables are so powerful I felt it warranted. Under this system you are able to artificially ddos organizations that verify if CP is sent by sending legitimate, low-res porn whose hash has been modified. You can trigger legitimate investigations by sending CSAM through WhatsApp or through social engineering. You can also fuck with Apple by sending obvious spam.

* With regard to the legislative branch, they can even mandate changes to this system they aren't allowed to disclose. Once this system is in place, what is stopping governments from forcing other sets of hashes for matching.

Nah that's so 2020, 2021 is all about low resolution legitimate porn being transformed to match CSAM. Get with the times!

The sender would of course be charged with wasting police efforts, defamation attempts+++. In the case of false positives the receiver of course wouldn't be charged, it's more about the fact that this system can be manipulated with too much ease. Even if you're not charged, an investigation takes time away from already limited law enforcement resources. I'm also not interested in buying products from a company that blatantly spies on me. Today it's CSAM, but as others have pointed out, the hashes can be changed to look for anything.

Lending your phone to someone for a call, then a quick airdrop. Legitimate-looking emails with buttons. There's probably a list somewhere of proven attack vectors.

I meant * could *. My point is that social engineering is a clear weak link in this system. They can also be sent regular photos whose hash matches the database, or use this repo to transform a regular pornographic photo's hash, making it hard for manual confirmation on Apple's part.