nzk
Joined 14 years ago
Joined 14 years ago
Lockdowns end when we stop enacting them, there is no reason (except governmental screw up) to insist that people who chose to take the risk must not get sick under any circumstances, or to assume that everyone must be in lockdown until every last soul is jabbed and boostered whether they want to or not.
Nothing more to say, our worldviews are too far apart.
I agree that vaccines are part of the solution. I disagree that stripping citizens of their rights and insulting them on TV is part of literally any solution for anything. If a government feels the urge to do that, it should look for alternatives instead. Maintaining ICU capacity from one year before (decreased by 4000 in 2021, see: https://www.intensivregister.de/#/aktuelle-lage/zeitreihenht... - "Gesamtzahl gemeldeter Intensivbetten"), is the lowest-hanging fruit, I'm sure there are additional alternatives that I'm not qualified to comment on.
Edit: It was pointed out to me that the DIVI numbers have some complexity that I did not account for. So grain of salt on the actual ICU number, but I've not yet seen anyone deny the trend. Here's a fact check that confirms that beds were lost: https://correctiv.org/faktencheck/2021/11/17/divi-praesident...
A strategy that would make sense would include BOTH vaccination and ICU capacity, one of which could have been started in March 2020, and it would have put us in a much better position today. Letting capacity decrease while waiting for vaccines that may or may not end the pandemic is negligent. Not getting vaccinated may be seen by some as negligent also, but different standards apply for governments and citizens.
The pandemic comes in waves, we do not need to plan for endless exponential growth. A few weeks of extra capacity would make the whole thing much easier to handle, given that we might be already at the peak and cases seem to be going down again[0]. The RKI weekly report[1] currently lists 1700 ICU cases, a month ago it was 1100[2]. So the 4000 beds we lost throughout the year[3] could have made a big difference.
[0]https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/rki-infektionen-103.html
[1]https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus...
[2]https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus...
[3]https://www.intensivregister.de/#/aktuelle-lage/zeitreihen
Yeah, Germany has a ton of ICU beds in comparison, and yet, we're struggling exactly the same as any other country. I find it strange, too. In early 2020 I expected we'd see big differences between different countries based on ICU capacity, but we saw the same story everywhere (regional overload around the peak of a wave), with a few minor differences (whether some patients are transferred within the country or to other countries). Perhaps countries have different standards for when they put patients in ICU's, allowing hospitals (and governments) to always operate close to capacity? Would be one explanation, but I really don't know.
High total number notwithstanding though, our ICU capacity actually decreased during the pandemic, see:
https://www.intensivregister.de/#/aktuelle-lage/zeitreihen
The graph under "Gesamtzahl gemeldeter Intensivbetten" shows total capacity (light blue) + emergency reserve (green), dark blue is occupied beds. There was a pretty sharp drop-off in the total capacity a year ago, and a slower decrease all throughout 2021. Apparently, that's mostly due to nurses quitting in droves since the pandemic made their already bad working conditions even worse.
Our politicians didn't lift a finger to prevent or revert this, and now they're blaming a minority for this massive, massive failure. Just makes me really angry, I'll take downvotes for that if I have to :)
The staffing problems in hospitals (and nursing homes) have existed much longer than Covid. I heard a lot about them myself when I did my FSJ (volunteer work) back in 2004, and it's only gotten worse since then. Our government is in full CYA mode, and doing everything they can to blame a scapegoat for problems they themselves have willingly created over decades. It's despicable, and nobody should support it.
FSJ is a year-long volunteer program for young people typically organized and funded by NGOs like the Red Cross and similar. I worked with small children, plenty of the other volunteers I met regularly worked in hospitals and nursing homes. They all talked at length about how atrocious the working conditions were and how they were asked to do things they weren't legally allowed to (e.g. taking blood, handing out medication) because the staff shortages were severe enough that people didn't have enough time to adhere to very reasonable safety rules anymore. That was 17 years ago.
This is a well known, widely publicized[0] and not at all new problem, and the unvaccinated are not to blame for it. Let me repeat, we're talking about one of the wealthiest countries in the world with a population of 83M people crumbling over a few thousand ICU patients.
[0]Some random articles from 2018/19 (German):
https://gesundheit-soziales.verdi.de/themen/mehr-personal/++...
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/wenn-aus-notstand-panik-...
https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2018-05/pflegenotsta...
https://www.rbb-online.de/kontraste/ueber_den_tag_hinaus/bil...
Check out their weekly reports, the relevant tables are usually around page 21 or 22. In the most recent one, it's on page 24.
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus...
Indoor mask mandates yes, I think there's only one state that lifted it, but could be one or two more, I'm not sure.
Vaccine isn't mandated yet, we currently have the same system as France where you need to show proof of vaccine, recovery or negative test to enter restaurants, bars, clubs, cinemas, gyms, etc. Tests are free as of now, but will have to be paid out of pocket starting on Oct 11. There's a lot of talk about dropping the test option, i.e. make the current system a vaccine/recovered only one, so basically vaccine passports. Many people expect this to happen (or a vaccine mandate) after the election. Some states have implemented a system where venues can choose whether or not they allow guests with negative tests, and if they opt for vaxxed and recovered only, the remaining restrictions (masks and distancing mainly) are lifted for the venue. This regulation is currently in effect in five or six states I believe, and others might follow.
I agree that it would be a much stronger argument. However, I also find it cruel to force people into an injection that they do not want, and would probably still oppose a universal vaccine mandate for that reason. I'd be okay with a mandate that allows people who really don't want the vaccine to opt out. I'd even be okay with that for the COVID vaccines if it wasn't for the 2G stuff and the awful rhetoric against unvaccinated people that preceded it. Enacting the mandate now makes the whole thing feel too much like "we'll get you somehow". Like I said, I find it cruel. It's not my idea of a humane society.