mxavier
Joined 16 years ago
Joined 16 years ago
I'm not saying terminating a project that didn't meet expectations is wrong, I'm just curious about the lasting implications.
My first dose of Haskell was attempting to write an XMonad config. That turned out to be a frustrating, several hour long ordeal for me that had me write off Haskell as undecipherable, alien hieroglyphics for quite some time after that. I'd urge anyone reading the tutorial who likes what they see to put in the hard time to get a handle on the language, understand what its good for and what it isn't and then return to web programming with it.
Apparently you forgot your password? Ok, so here's your new one, stupid:
My generated password was prefixed with "idiot.THENEWPASSWORD". It's little touches like this that I find really nice.
Also, needless to say, I would buy one of his specials in a heartbeat should a similar offer come up in the future. I watched the special last night and it was outrageously funny.
I, however, would caution against some of the platitudes you use about it being the future of concurrency. I also think it is kind of silly to imply that a coder isn't "worth their salt" if they aren't learning Erlang. It isn't a panacea. If you read some modern Erlang guides like Learn You Some Erlang, for example, you'll note that a responsible advocate of Erlang will caution against drinking too much kool-aid. Erlang, for example, is admitted as being a poor choice for lots of string manipulation because of the way strings are implemented in the language. I believe that same guide mentions that it may not be the best choice for heavy number crunching.
Developers worth their salt will not just hear the word concurrency and start writing everything in Erlang. It is much better to consider the problem and ensure that the problem domain matches Erlang's particular strengths.
I also want to mention that in my experience, Erlang applications are pure hell to deploy for people who don't have years of OTP deployment under their belts. So much of having a manageable Erlang app depends on the developers being well versed in a lot of subtle, and very easy to get wrong conventions. We actually ended up needing to start a support contract with Erlang Solutions themselves to help us demystify getting a sane deployment process going for our app. This was an expensive endeavor. Yes, it was primarily because we were new to the language, but it also had a lot to do with a lack of community documentation/discussion about deployment procedures. I won't even get into the joy of trying to decipher Erlang's famously cryptic crash reports/stack traces.
tl;dr: Erlang isn't concurrency pixie dust. A developer isn't a failure if they aren't currently learning it, nor are they a success if they just decide to use Erlang for every class of problem. It is an interesting language to work with and solves certain problems very well, others not so well.
For example, rather than having an Invoice with a status field of Text or String, I have a type InvoiceStatus = Paid | Unpaid | Void. From there, you can write a very precise parser that takes exactly what you want and nothing else. When I apply this approach to each component of the thing I need to parse (or do it generically even), I don't really find myself having to munge javascript types into my data structures.